Do you believe in a God, if not why not?

SwordOfStCatherine

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Just look around you sweetie! :p
Uh doing business with dodgy as the hell fire Muslim tyrants is not exactly the same thing as promoting Islam. I actually doubt that there exists anyone in the ROI ruling elites who has what I would consider basic knowledge of Islam let alone anyone who has any interest in it's systems. There is a possibility which I believe Myles has been correct in pointing to that Islam could take off among the savage Prods of Ulster but I doubt it could outside of a few more or eccentric types hold out any attraction at all to Southerners.
 

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Yep. It's just a system of control for the stupider humans.
Otherwise they'll cause no end of trouble.
Fear of punishment is what they understand.

Perhaps this is why the big move to support Islam is afoot
amongst our lords and masters.

Christianity has seemingly lost it's authority. A stronger replacement is needed
to keep the livestock in check.
Uh doing business with dodgy as the hell fire Muslim tyrants is not exactly the same thing as promoting Islam. I actually doubt that there exists anyone in the ROI ruling elites who has what I would consider basic knowledge of Islam let alone anyone who has any interest in it's systems. There is a possibility which I believe Myles has been correct in pointing to that Islam could take off among the savage Prods of Ulster but I doubt it could outside of a few more or eccentric types hold out any attraction at all to Southerners.
Doing business with Saudi Arabia involves allowing them to fund mosques in your territory. Make no mistake.
And those are mosques who will be sympathetic to wahabbism.

As for whether ordinary people in the south could ever embrace Islam, well it is a long term social control project and
ordinary people will eventually accept any shit you normalise. And just look at the figures. Islam is the fastest growing religion. Maybe not many in this ex catholic generation but perhaps quite a few of the next one or the one after will swallow it whole after ten years of propaganda in their EU sponsored education programs! The kids have already meekly accepted the colonisation and plantation agenda for our country after all haven't they? Saying a few prayers each day and pledging their soul to allah will not be so much of a stretch as you might think since we are talking about very confused young people with little meaning in their lives except their mobile phones. Plus remember a majority of our population after 2050 may possibly not be of Irish descent at all!
 

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Doing business with Saudi Arabia involves allowing them to fund mosques in your territory. Make no mistake.
And those are mosques who will be sympathetic to wahabbism.

As for whether ordinary people in the south could ever embrace Islam, well it is a long term social control project and
ordinary people will eventually accept any shit you normalise. And just look at the figures. Islam is the fastest growing religion. Maybe not many in this ex catholic generation but perhaps quite a few of the next one or the one after will swallow it whole after ten years of propaganda in their EU sponsored education programs! The kids have already meekly accepted the colonisation and plantation agenda for our country after all haven't they? Saying a few prayers each day and pledging their soul to allah will not be so much of a stretch as you might think since we are talking about very confused young people with little meaning in their lives except their mobile phones. Plus remember a majority of our population after 2050 may possibly not be of Irish descent at all!
The fact of them allowing Saudi funding for Mosques here shows just how clueless they are about Islam and it's spectrum. They have lads controlled and docile through computer games along with drug and alcohol abuse with pornography possibly playing a significant role as well. Islam on the other hand can more easily than Christianity serve a weapon and inspiration to insurgency (in this way I have to admit it does more closely resemble Second Temple Judaism than Christianity does). Also Islam involves a bit more saying a few prayers and pledging your soul to Hashem- it involves getting up very early each morning, strict fasting (hardly any Catholics in Ireland outside of the SSPX actually observe Lent), giving a large part of your income to charity and than there is not consuming pig flesh and avoiding alcohol. Have you also ever seen how Gaelic men squirm when the subject of circumcision is brought up? I find the way they do very amusing but it is also means that Islam and Rabbinic Judaism are very much ruled out as possible choices for them.
 

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The fact of them allowing Saudi funding for Mosques here shows just how clueless they are about Islam and it's spectrum. They have lads controlled and docile through computer games along with drug and alcohol abuse with pornography possibly playing a significant role as well. Islam on the other hand can more easily than Christianity serve a weapon and inspiration to insurgency (in this way I have to admit it does more closely resemble Second Temple Judaism than Christianity does). Also Islam involves a bit more saying a few prayers and pledging your soul to Hashem- it involves getting up very early each morning, strict fasting (hardly any Catholics in Ireland outside of the SSPX actually observe Lent), giving a large part of your income to charity and than there is not consuming pig flesh and avoiding alcohol. Have you also ever seen how Gaelic men squirm when the subject of circumcision is brought up? I find the way they do very amusing but it is also means that Islam and Rabbinic Judaism are very much ruled out as possible choices for them.
It sounds like you are thinking about making the move yourself sword!
Perhaps an intervention is required! :p
 

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It sounds like you are thinking about making the move yourself sword!
Perhaps an intervention is required! :p
I am planning a thread on Pelagianism because recently a US Senator went on a wrong headed rant labeling things as Pelagian which are not at all and also because possible Pope Francis has accused people totally irrationally and unjustly of being Pelagian which will explain why I find Islam wrong headed in very important ways- my Celtic Augustinianism is actually quite removed from Islam. However I do think that both Islam and Zoroastrianism pose in genuine intellectual challenge to Christianity in a way that all other Religions just don't (outside of maybe actual Neo-Platonism).
 

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So why is Dawkins afraid to debate William Lane Craig?

Do you know either of them..you are assuming a lot to say A is afraid of b ... it sounds a bit of a weak argument.
I however do not know either of them and I have never heard of Craig ..In my reference above i was talking about ordinary people .the person I was referencing was myself and atheists I know ..My point is..why would we be afraid of debate..we would have a lack of interest if anything. remember if you do not believe in something IE, the tooth fairy, you are not going to do lots of research.
Your implying some fantasy world where dawkins and craig throw holy water and brimstone at each other and maybe god peaks out from behind a cloud and declares Craig the winner..

Are you saying that people who hold beliefs in the supernatural are incapable of thinking rationally

If by supernatural you mean conspiracies ,aliens etc ..I think they are childish
If you mean God etc..I think they are fearful .If they admitted that they were skeptical ,there is something that has been indoctrinated into them to counteract that...IE.. is the devil tempting you or some other bull.
A lot of religious people are damaged in someway, either socially inept or mentally weak or have been scarred some way ..they go with the flock, majority rules, they feel safe. they are wasting valuable life time , they believe they are going somewhere when they die.. How many people do you know that are reincarnated etc or have reached out to you personally from beyond...None

When you see some of the modern fanatics and observe their communications, they are very very aggressive .
No, I simply think that it is odd that Dawkins, whose reputation as a fierce polemicist precedes him has refused to debate WLC. Strangely, he has no objection to debating theistic rubes from Alabama. Why is that?

Dividing humanity into the rational and irrational based on adherence to a particular belief system is, dare I say, irrational. Some might even consider it to be simplistic and childish.

Curiously, militant atheism advocates this dichotomy. Is it fanatical, do you think?
 

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He would bore the paint off the wall..He is intellectualizing the argument probably and possibly so he will sell his books and keep the loons thinking he is clever . Why not keep it simple Dawkins is as bad. . Seriously he should be take out and ....taken out .If there was a god , he would be so far removed from your man above..
Are you sure he is not the devil in disguise...
Aside from being a Theologian, he's a philosopher. I've read two of his books and they are not written for the lay person.
 
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