Desmond Fennell on the ideological and cultural vacuum at the heart of the ROI elite.

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Desmond Fennell is along with that other maverick Brendan Clifford is one of the two ROI "Public Intellectuals" worth listening to in my not so humble opinion. He is unjustly labelled an "arch-conservative" by those who feel they have a vested interest in refusing to listen to the valid points he has to make. He is most famous or infamous for his attack on Seamus Heaney for the latter refusing to attend the funerals of two of his cousins who died on Hunger Strike in 1981 and his public combat with the creep who heads the bourgeois hippy commune cum New Age Corporate retreat centre which poses as a Benedictine monastery in Glenstal. He does take a bit of a "small is beautiful"/distributist line on things which would not be mine but still I usually find him challenging and enlightening This essay I think is very useful for anyone really trying to understand the contemporary ROI;


http://www.desmondfennell.com/essay-irish-nation-together.htm

"But our nation is now neither intellectually self-determining nor economically self-sustaining nor culturally self-shaping, and is therefore far from being the normal nation that the Irish Revolution aimed at.
Obviously, and Corkery assumed this, a nation can exist in a form far short of normality or realisation. It can exist as a mass of people who are vaguely aware that they are a social unit of mankind who have shared a common course through history. But to become a realised nation, existing actively in the world, that mass needs to acquire, as a first step, what Corkery calls a nationally ‘normal state of mind’. I have spelt that out as ‘intellectual self-determination’.

The first act of that self-determination is to create a shared idea of the nation’s defining and distinguishing characteristics and values. Only then, with that defined notion and consciousness of its distinct self, can the nation set about realising itself factually—acquiring the other attributess of normal nationhood.
During the late nineteenth century and the early part of the twentieth the Irish nation performed this seminal intellectual act of defining its distinguishing characteristics and values. It came to see itself, and to present itself, as an ancient, essentially Gaelic, Catholic and rural nation, which had fought a long freedom struggle, was opposed to all imperialism, and adhered to liberal democracy as the method of acquiring and exercising political power......"

He understands also that "Cultural Marxism" didnt come from the East but from across the Atlantic;

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Simultaneously, in the 60s, American left liberalism, calling itself ‘liberalism’, was engaged in its ideological takeover of Western Europe. It was imperial America’s answer to Russia’s implantation of the Communist ideology in the countries of Eastern Europe and in East Germany. From London, its European centre of diffusion, the new American liberalism was introduced to Ireland by Irish sympathisers; first, tentatively, in The Irish Times, then through RTẾ.

By the early 80s the Irish ideological pluralism of the Dublin mass media was being replaced by a left-liberal orthodoxy. The Irish liberal Correctorate (every West European country had one) made clear its aversion to treating the historic freedom struggle as a national value. Accordingly, it was strongly hostile to the ongoing armed strugggle of the Northern nationalists. The Irish neo-liberals also preached that the nation’s Catholicism (or indeed any religion) was not a national value and should therefore not influence the Republic’s affairs. On both these matters, they used the co-ordinated Dublin media daily to create a substantial public that was similarly minded.

The Correctorate was de facto displacing the Catholic Church as moral teacher of the nation. The legislators were conforming to it as diligently as they had to its predecessor."
 
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Before 1922 we were a province of empire that was dissatisfied with our condition. Today we are a province of empire that is as happy as a pig in shit.
 
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Before 1922 we were a province of empire that was dissatisfied with our condition. Today we are a province of empire that is as happy as a pig in shit.
Well even with all the main parties and the mainstream media supporting the Brussels' side did not the ROI ruling elite have to repeat two referendums? Also in the recent vanity one consider the amount of people who despite a terrible No campaign and all the hype and glitter on the Yes side still voted for the values of the historic Gaelic nation. However given that the 1916 insurrection was about national sovereignty for Ireland which all the ruling elite seem to be against the official celebrations for it did have a surreal quality to them (well for me they did).

Thing is that if you dont have a strong internal sense of self and an objective internal code by which to judge yourself (the two go together in reality most of the time so much so that it appears that most humans cant have one without automatically having the other) you will look outside to others for judgement, and usually end up doing whatever in order to earn praise and flattery. De Valera, flawed genius that he was, was his very much is own man, with his own counsel while as Enda and The ISIS Times on the other hand appear for all their talk of having "confidence" as desperately and pathetically insecure; this comes out of the void that Desmond Fennell was talking about.
 
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Well even with all the main parties and the mainstream media supporting the Brussels' side did not the ROI ruling elite have to repeat two referendums? Also in the recent vanity one consider the amount of people who despite a terrible No campaign and all the hype and glitter on the Yes side still voted for the values of the historic Gaelic nation. However given that the 1916 insurrection was about national sovereignty for Ireland which all the ruling elite seem to be against the official celebrations for it did have a surreal quality to them (well for me they did).

Thing is that is you dont have a strong internal sense of self and an objective internal code by which to judge yourself (the two go together in reality most of the time so much so that it appears that most humans cant have one without automatically having the other) you will look outside to others for judgement, and usually end up doing whatever in order to earn praise and flattery. De Valera, flawed genius that he was, was his very much is own man, with his own counsel while as Enda and The ISIS Times on the other hand appear for all their talk of having "confidence" as desperately and pathetically insecure; this comes out of the void that Desmond Fennell was talking about.

Yes, that's completely true. At the end of the day, until the Irish people reconquer their own language they will never reconquer themselves. They will remain the slaves of every passing fad and foible. But, even that is not enough - Enda Kenny speaks fluent Irish. We must find ourselves within that language.
 
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The ruling regime is permanently traumatised over the six county conflict, it's terrified of its republican inheritance, the collapse of the Catholic Church means Christian values have been replaced with..uh...nothing....... and the one thing that the regime was able to trade on, the Celtic Tiger, was nothing but a vacuous bubble that promptly went pop.

Every identity this nation has tried to grab on to has failed in catastrophic terms and the result is a kind of total and dissolute despair.

So the county is in a state of very severe nervous breakdown and our intellectual life is uniquely desolate and empty -- even by British and continental standards. Even the Brits are capable of some debate.

Debate cant happen here except over technocratic or managerial matters on the VB show or whatever. Our opinion-makers are far too stunted and dull-witted to to be aware of larger philosophical issues still less know enough to discuss them. That's why Clifford and Fennel are wiped from the mainstream and a guy like David Quinn is barely tolerated.
 
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The ruling regime is permanently traumatised over the six county conflict, it's terrified of its republican inheritance, the collapse of the Catholic Church means Christian values have been replaced with..uh...nothing....... and the one thing that the regime was able to trade on, the Celtic Tiger, was nothing but a vacuous bubble that promptly went pop.

Every identity this nation has tried to grab on to has failed in catastrophic terms and the result is a kind of total and dissolute despair.

So the county is in a state of very severe nervous breakdown and our intellectual life is uniquely desolate and empty -- even by British and continental standards. Even the Brits are capable of some debate.

Debate cant happen here except over technocratic or managerial matters on the VB show or whatever. Our opinion-makers are far too stunted and dull-witted to to be aware of larger philosophical issues still less know enough to discuss them. That's why Clifford and Fennel are wiped from the mainstream and a guy like David Quinn is barely tolerated.
This is true of official intellectual life certainly- but the unofficial one is a bit of a different story.

Fennell was friends with Ruari O'Bradaigh and rightly criticized those taking a hysterical response to the violence of the Troubles but in that time he advocated that some scheme of joint sovereignty be worked out so he was neither "Republican" or "Anti-Republican". I dont know what he believes about Northern Ireland now. You are right though- in some ways the last Ulster Troubles had more effect than on Northern Ireland which coming from there has been a very strange revelation to me.
 
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The ruling regime is permanently traumatised over the six county conflict, it's terrified of its republican inheritance, the collapse of the Catholic Church means Christian values have been replaced with..uh...nothing....... and the one thing that the regime was able to trade on, the Celtic Tiger, was nothing but a vacuous bubble that promptly went pop.

Debate cant happen here except over technocratic or managerial matters on the VB show or whatever. Our opinion-makers are far too stunted and dull-witted to to be aware of larger philosophical issues still less know enough to discuss them. That's why Clifford and Fennel are wiped from the mainstream and a guy like David Quinn is barely tolerated.
Indeed; and they dont see this utter Cultural Nihilism as a danger, luckily the country still has plenty of "Christian capital" to trade on but eventually if things continue thus it will fall into the same hell pit a lot of the UK has.

David Quinn is a very different creature to Fennell or Clifford, he is an ardent Zionist and a strong admirer of the United States who seeks to channel conservative Catholic sentiment in that direction.
 
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Indeed; and they dont see this utter Cultural Nihilism as a danger, luckily the country still has plenty of "Christian capital" to trade on but eventually if things continue thus it will fall into the same hell pit a lot of the UK has.

David Quinn is a very different creature to Fennell or Clifford, he is an ardent Zionist and a strong admirer of the United States who seeks to channel conservative Catholic sentiment in that direction.

Is he not aware of the American role in supporting the same sex marriage campaign?
 
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So the county is in a state of very severe nervous breakdown and our intellectual life is uniquely desolate and empty -- even by British and continental standards. Even the Brits are capable of some debate.

Debate cant happen here except over technocratic or managerial matters on the VB show or whatever. Our opinion-makers are far too stunted and dull-witted to to be aware of larger philosophical issues still less know enough to discuss them. That's why Clifford and Fennel are wiped from the mainstream and a guy like David Quinn is barely tolerated.
This is what really annoys me- their claims that they are now unlike their grandparents supposedly so "open minded" and have "board horizons" when they have anything but.
 

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The worst about democracy is that the ordinary people will always vote for people like themselves, i.e. ordinary, rather dull witted and poorly educated. The exceptions are in countries which have just gone through a revolution. In those cases certain men and women have won the right to be different in the eyes of ordinary people. Dev couldn't win an election now, as he would be regarded as frightening to today's Irish. Bertie and Enda are common men that common men and women can relate to as one of themselves - though Enda is hardly flavour of the month right now. I'm afraid the democratic system, by its very nature, will keep us misruled by weak minded gobshites for a very long time to come.

The intellectual bankruptcy of our university elite is another matter. I think Potato Mystic is correct to relate this to the northern troubles. During those times, to show any sign of independent thinking was a one ticket to obscurity - if not out and out vilification and persecution. And this mindset has still to be shaken out of the university system.

As for the media, this is little more than a weaponized instrument of the régime.
 
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Shocking but true...,.A lot of Southern Irish Libtards consider Desmond Fennell to be an Ultra-Reactionary, basically Ireland's answer to Bishop Richard Williamson (who is actually an incredibly cultivated, highly intelligent and extremely kind man with the most amazing sense of humour- Im not sure I would want him running a country but he is someone worth listening to all the same).
 
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