Denmark announces very tough measures to force Muslim integration.

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First off from what I know about Danish civilization they are obsessed with rules in areas where Muslims aren't and Muslims are equally obsessed with them in areas where the Danes couldn't care less. It was very going to work out well .Some of these rules strike me as very unjust particularly when you ask yourself what exactly are "Danish values" these days? Nude beaches? Drunkenness? Capitalist greed? Watching porn? Rather than going to these lengths would they not be better off spending the money helping to re-settle the Muslims comfortably in Muslim countries?

In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant ‘Ghettos’

"Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.

Denmark’s government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the country’s mainstream, they should be compelled....

That tough approach is embodied in the “ghetto package.” Of 22 proposals presented by the government in early March, most have been agreed upon by a parliamentary majority, and more will be subject to a vote in the fall.

Some are punitive: One measure under consideration would allow courts to double the punishment for certain crimes if they are committed in one of the 25 neighborhoods classified as ghettos, based on residents’ income, employment status, education levels, number of criminal convictions and “non-Western background.” Another would impose a four-year prison sentence on immigrant parents who force their children to make extended visits to their country of origin — described here as “re-education trips” —in that way damaging their “schooling, language and well-being.” Another would allow local authorities to increase their monitoring and surveillance of “ghetto” families."
 

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This has no chance of succeeding. The Danes will just make those Muslim youths even more hostile to them. The fact is that a weak and dying culture like the Libtard West can't integrate a strong and thriving culture like Islam into it. It's like imagining a championship boxing match between Danny La Rue and Mohammad Ali - and putting your money on the gay fellow.
 
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This has no chance of succeeding. The Danes will just make those Muslim youths even more hostile to them. The fact is that a weak and dying culture like the Libtard West can't integrate a strong and thriving culture like Islam into it. It's like imagining a championship boxing match between Danny La Rue and Mohammad Ali - and putting your money on the gay fellow.
Islamic culture has it's own internal massive dramas and dysfunctions- however it's women are still wanting to have babies which Spengler saw as a very important measurement of cultural health. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
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Herrn Oswald Spengler thought earth was a superorganism that was on an inevitable suicide course... sort of retarded
I believe in a world soul- I don't take the mechanistic view of nature. Do you this earth is going to last forever?

Also everyone comes out with things that are sort of retarded if they are truly creative minds. The people who never come out with sort of retarded statements are usually second at best but usually third rate thinkers.
 
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I believe in a world soul- I don't take the mechanistic view of nature. Do you this earth is going to last forever?

Also everyone comes out with things that are sort of retarded if they are truly creative minds. The people who never come out with sort of retarded statements are usually second at best but usually third rate thinkers.
you misunderstand - of course the earth will not last forever but he was not thinking long term but short term if i am not mistaken - he saw the French revolution as the beginning of decay and probably did not think much of Marx - starting to think that last sentence is wrong considering Gaelach's posting - i am fond of him [Gaelach] but his views appear to be inconsistent
 

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you misunderstand - of course the earth will not last forever but he was not thinking long term but short term if i am not mistaken - he saw the French revolution as the beginning of decay and probably did not think much of Marx - starting to think that last sentence is wrong considering Gaelach's posting - i am fond of him [Gaelach] but his views appear to be inconsistent

I don't know much about Spengler. But Marx also saw what passed for European culture in the 19th century as dying.
 

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I thought the idea was to make Denmark a 'cold house' for Muslims in order to discourage more from immigrating and maybe cause some 'native' Muslims to leave.
 
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i agree with Marx but not Spengler
Marx had sage insights and I don't think you can fully understand the world that we are in without grappling at the very least with his thought. That said Marx in common with his age took quite a linear view of history, albeit in a much more nuanced manner than his contemporaries or indeed a lot of his followers, Spengler was able to see through that- also not being as euro-centric as Marx gave him much wider vantage points. I think it is possible to take good from both without feeling a need to embrace either dogmatically.
 
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Marx had sage insights and I don't think you can fully understand the world that we are in without grappling at the very least with his thought. That said Marx in common with his age took quite a linear view of history, albeit in a much more nuanced manner than his contemporaries or indeed a lot of his followers, Spengler was able to see through that- also not being as euro-centric as Marx gave him much wider vantage points. I think it is possible to take good from both without feeling a need to embrace either dogmatically.
they are incompatible - the one believes civilisational retardation is inevitable - the other Communism
 
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they are incompatible - the one believes civilisational retardation is inevitable - the other Communism
This is the thing- I believe that the Marx's idea of humanity evolving to a global stateless and moneyless society is a "pipe dream"- he was on one level a very shrewd realistic observer and another one a utopian flake.
 
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