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David Koresh thought he was Jesus. _ _ Maybe he was right ?

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Most of you will be familiar with the standoff at Waco. Where a religious cult had a confrontation with the US Government and many died on all sides.

The personality cult was led by one David Koresh ( Vernon wayne Howell ) , a charismatic figure with a talent for leading the weak-minded up the garden path.

Lets examine David Koresh for a moment. Koresh....

- was a real historic figure, not mythological, he did really exist. Well documented.
- experienced great hardships in his own life
- was of questionable mental health.

- born of an unmarried young teenage single mother and never knew his real father.
- believed himself to actually be descended from the God of the Abrahamic faith.
- was a brilliant charismatic persuader.

- Expanded and elaborated upon a religious bedrock which was already well established.
- Convinced his followers of an ability to perform divine or mysterious feats
- Engaged in long and detailed theological debate and was well versed in matters of scripture

- Led a community that was separate to, and aloof from, normal civic life.
- Could be warm-hearted & kind but was widely reported to have a flip-switch temper.
- Was convinced that the end of the World was imminently upon us ( and in hindsight we can see it was 'erronously' )

- Criticised and confronted mainstream religious leaders & churches, and was expelled from the congregation.
- Claimed to tell a truth that no other religious man could offer
- Gave solace to ex prostitutes and other social outcasts

- Died aged 33
- not the academic type
- claimed himself the Chosen one, the Lamb of God.

- heard the one true message of God the Father
- had visions and heard voices
- Expected his own martyrdom

- Was killed by the Forces of the State, whom he had goaded.
- Was scorned and laughed at by established church and media leaders.
- motivated his followers to perform heinous acts of violence after his own death (Timothy McVeigh & the Oklahoma bombing ).

- the hairstyle, the beard, the skinny wide-eyed look
- encouraged a level of celibacy in the men who followed him
- revised the ''father forgive them , for they know not what they do'' in the light of the information age.

MOST IMPORTANTLY......
- is followed to this day by the weak-minded and the naive. They believe in his divine provenance. His martyrdom was prophesy coming true. They tell an edited version of His story.


Lets not look at Jim Jones and many other infamous cult leaders. Koresh himself was a giant astride the religious world stage. He has cast a long shadow. Religious Cults are a dangerous thing. Like Heroin & coke.....the first step in the fightback is to understand the enemy. The danger that comes with sweetness & great promises. David Koresh is not one man. He is an exemplar of a cancer that lies hidden in full view. He hasn't gone away, you know.

The Looney is dead. Longlive the looney.

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Most of you will be familiar with the standoff at Waco. Where a religious cult had a confrontation with the US Government and many died on all sides.

The personality cult was led by one David Koresh ( Vernon wayne Howell ) , a charismatic figure with a talent for leading the weak-minded up the garden path.

Lets examine David Koresh for a moment. Koresh....

- was a real historic figure, not mythological, he did really exist. Well documented.
- experienced great hardships in his own life
- was of questionable mental health.

- born of an unmarried young teenage single mother and never knew his real father.
- believed himself to actually be descended from the God of the Abrahamic faith.
- was a brilliant charismatic persuader.

- Expanded and elaborated upon a religious bedrock which was already well established.
- Convinced his followers of an ability to perform divine or mysterious feats
- Engaged in long and detailed theological debate and was well versed in matters of scripture

- Led a community that was separate to, and aloof from, normal civic life.
- Could be warm-hearted & kind but was widely reported to have a flip-switch temper.
- Was convinced that the end of the World was imminently upon us ( and in hindsight we can see it was 'erronously' )

- Criticised and confronted mainstream religious leaders & churches, and was expelled from the congregation.
- Claimed to tell a truth that no other religious man could offer
- Gave solace to ex prostitutes and other social outcasts

- Died aged 33
- not the academic type
- claimed himself the Chosen one, the Lamb of God.

- heard the one true message of God the Father
- had visions and heard voices
- Expected his own martyrdom

- Was killed by the Forces of the State, whom he had goaded.
- Was scorned and laughed at by established church and media leaders.
- motivated his followers to perform heinous acts of violence after his own death (Timothy McVeigh & the Oklahoma bombing ).

- the hairstyle, the beard, the skinny wide-eyed look
- encouraged a level of celibacy in the men who followed him
- revised the ''father forgive them , for they know not what they do'' in the light of the information age.

MOST IMPORTANTLY......
- is followed to this day by the weak-minded and the naive. They believe in his divine provenance. His martyrdom was prophesy coming true. They tell an edited version of His story.


Lets not look at Jim Jones and many other infamous cult leaders. Koresh himself was a giant astride the religious world stage. He has cast a long shadow. Religious Cults are a dangerous thing. Like Heroin & coke.....the first step in the fightback is to understand the enemy. The danger that comes with sweetness & great promises. David Koresh is not one man. He is an exemplar of a cancer that lies hidden in full view. He hasn't gone away, you know.

The Looney is dead. Longlive the looney.

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On the Plus Side he did not work for Rte.
 

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David Koresh also sexually abused his female followers and maybe even some of the kids.

He then immolated himself and his direct followers rather than surrender himself to the Authorities.

For those of you not old enough to remember we saw it all live on TV at the time.

Our Lord Jesus Christ did not do any of these things

- he sacrificed Himself for the Love of Mankind

He also was Resurrected from the dead and appeared before his Apostles before ascending into Heaven.
 
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He (Jesus) also was Resurrected from the dead and appeared before his Apostles before ascending into Heaven.
the followers of Jesus controlled the narrative of his story. They made him out to be better than a Saint.

Imagine what the followers of any Cult leader would have written about their man.

The contemporary accounts of the life of Gengis Khan made little reference to his voracious sexual appetites and certain sex crimes. The truth was really outed by the DNA evidence only recently.

Similarly the accounts of Julius Caesar play down his genocidal nature in favour of heroism and his ability to be strong in the face of adversity. His bisexuality was also not given much coverage in the sources.

The documenting and reporting of the paedophilia of Jimmy Savile was certainly silenced in his lifetime. A monster with much influence over the people around him.

There is still controversy as to the sex life of Koresh. Many say he only went with women (not kids), the truth may never be known. a) he was a monster but b) the Media wanted to vilify him. He never got to atone for his crimes in a court of law. We have much hearsay, but no conclusive story.

We cannot prove Jesus did or didnt do stuff in his lifetime. All we have to go on are accounts written by biased authors.
 
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David Koresh also sexually abused his female followers and maybe even some of the kids.

He then immolated himself and his direct followers rather than surrender himself to the Authorities.

For those of you not old enough to remember we saw it all live on TV at the time.

Our Lord Jesus Christ did not do any of these things

- he sacrificed Himself for the Love of Mankind

He also was Resurrected from the dead and appeared before his Apostles before ascending into Heaven.
How do you know?

Were you there?
 

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the followers of Jesus controlled the narrative of his story. They made him out to be better than a Saint.

Imagine what the followers of any Cult leader would have written about their man.

The contemporary accounts of the life of Gengis Khan made little reference to his voracious sexual appetites and certain sex crimes. The truth was really outed by the DNA evidence only recently.

Similarly the accounts of Julius Caesar play down his genocidal nature in favour of heroism and his ability to be strong in the face of adversity. His bisexuality was also not given much coverage in the sources.

The documenting and reporting of the paedophilia of Jimmy Savile was certainly silenced in his lifetime. A monster with much influence over the people around him.

There is still controversy as to the sex life of Koresh. Many say he only went with women (not kids), the truth may never be known. a) he was a monster but b) the Media wanted to vilify him. He never got to atone for his crimes in a court of law. We have much hearsay, but no conclusive story.

We cannot prove Jesus did or didnt do stuff in his lifetime. All we have to go on are accounts written by biased authors.
You could make the same argument about large portions of human history.
 

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The FBI involved should have been sacked at least, the anger at this atrocity later lead to the McVeigh bombings.

What a horror story. It's interesting how the media spinned it at the time as his fault. I remember thinking it looked like a State Assassination.

The Russians are taking no chances with their Jesus.

 

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The FBI involved should have been sacked at least, the anger at this atrocity later lead to the McVeigh bombings.

What a horror story. It's interesting how the media spinned it at the time as his fault. I remember thinking it looked like a State Assassination.

The Russians are taking no chances with their Jesus.

He is a charlatan - but if people want to follow him that's their own call IMO.
 
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