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"Counter-Jihad" and "Philo-Semitism".

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There are those who say that Westerners should full stop stay away from anything Levantine and that we would be wise to see both Jews and Muslims as being essentially enemies. While I disagree with them they do put forward a consistent logic. There is another group who says that Westerners who get into things such as the Koran or Old Testament without a solid grounding in Classical Philosophy risk seriously doing heads in, and I actually think they are correct, you can see examples of where they are right in the likes of Khalid Kelly and George Seawright who obsessed on the OT in recent Irish history.

However it seems to me that extremely usually the types of Muslims from the Middle East who strongly reject Classical Philosophy are the ones most pre-disposed to being extremely psycho as well. The same goes for Jews though in general Rabbinic Judaism has taken a much more hostile attitude towards Classical Philosophy than Islam has, it's Rationalist has often been staggeringly more humane than it's Kabbalahistic school (the Kabbalah is full of wild and often dark irrationalism).

The people that I find very hard to understand are those who combine an outright hatred of Islam and often the Levantine world as such with an enthusiasm for Rabbinic Judaism and a tendency to join it as a harmonious part to the Western cultural sphere which they speak of as the "Judeo-Christian West". This despite the fact that after His Death, Resurrection and Ascension Rabbinic Judaism made worse, indeed sometimes a lot worse, everything Our Lord fought against in Pharisees (Rabbinic Judaism is a continuation of the Pharisee branch in Second Temple Judaism) while dropping things that He would have approved of.
 

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Generally, I'd be in favour of letting the Semitic peoples do their own thing and sort themselves out. In fact, if the Europeans and those of European origin would stay out of it altogether - the problem of Israel would be sorted out very quickly and the Jews would be running back to Europe telling us that they were loyal "Europeans" all the time. Of course, that wouldn't be very good for us actual Europeans.
 
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People aren't nuanced about these things they're crude. Israelis dress up in the Western style and speak English to Western audiences, Israel mirrors America in many of its foundational, exceptionalist myths and America being the preeminent power is regarded as the polestar to follow for a certain type of European neo-liberal. Whereas the Muslim world is entirely alien and unfamiliar in comparison. So brutalised Westerners can retreat into all things Jewish for these reasons.

Nuclear weapons, the technological revolution, the flight revolution, all these things do make the world a tightly bound place. Whereas once the world was vast and distant lands were distant, we're now confronted with a new world where we can't quite escape each other -- and this will remain so even we finally manage to get our immigration ducks in a row.
 
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People aren't nuanced about these things they're crude. Israelis dress up in the Western style and speak English to Western audiences, Israel mirrors America in many of its foundational, exceptionalist myths and America being the preeminent power is regarded as the polestar to follow for a certain type of European neo-liberal. Whereas the Muslim world is entirely alien and unfamiliar in comparison. So brutalised Westerners can retreat into all things Jewish for these reasons.

Nuclear weapons, the technological revolution, the flight revolution, all these things do make the world a tightly bound place. Whereas once the world was vast and distant lands where distant, we're now confronted with a new world where we can't quite escape each other even we finally manage to get our immigration ducks in a row.


That's the problem - we're now far too close for human comfort. Enough space for decency promotes friendship - indecent closeness creates fear and hatred.
 
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People aren't nuanced about these things they're crude. Israelis dress up in the Western style and speak English to Western audiences, Israel mirrors America in many of its foundational, exceptionalist myths and America being the preeminent power is regarded as the polestar to follow for a certain type of European neo-liberal. Whereas the Muslim world is entirely alien and unfamiliar in comparison. So brutalised Westerners can retreat into all things Jewish for these reasons.

Nuclear weapons, the technological revolution, the flight revolution, all these things do make the world a tightly bound place. Whereas once the world was vast and distant lands were distant, we're now confronted with a new world where we can't quite escape each other -- and this will remain so even we finally manage to get our immigration ducks in a row.
One of the things that used to define the West as opposed to everyone else was a immense level of curiosity. However I have been really shocked lately as just how un-curious seemingly so many people are. I have come across a few people who say they know Muslims as in practicing ones but they no absolutely nothing about Islam so obviously they never asked into what these people who they are their friends base their life on.