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... And that the real problem lies in our refusal to admit that the poor and middle class, (who WORK for a living) benefit just as much as the rich from...
More misrepresentation and obfuscation.

You still fail to acknowledge the term as I am using it (because all you ever have is your pseudo-libertarian drum of mindless, absolute "property rights, property rights..." that you must always beat and beat as hard as you can to drown out anyone ever murmuring under their breath the fact that private property rights are invented, a special legal privilege, and we might therefore consider corresponding obligations a fraction more, the aspect of the accompanying social contract etc.).

And certainly I never suggested the poor and middle class benefit just as much as the rich from these special legal privileges, these artificial rights. Clearly they benefit only in the smallest, smallest fraction that those at the top of the chain do (though still to the disadvantage of others beneath them or after them).

Rather I acknowledged that they also have vested interests, the primary reason is to ensure the survival of the system. I mentioned it was thus a systemic problem on that basis. In a democracy, you needs must give a majority a little piece of the pie so they will continue to vote for the whole pie.

Just like how we voted in this country through 1997,2002,2007. Even if you weren't getting your large dollop of equity appreciation through owning a property, you were still being kept happy with lower tax, higher salaries, increased welfare, and so on, that was being paid for with the cream off the top of property rights and corresponding unearned income.

So those on the lower rungs of economic society may have been benefiting, the middle rung people even more so, but not nearly as much as those on the upper reaches who extracted untold financial gains through the agency of these "rights" we are discussing that they had purchased or otherwise acquired.
 
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More misrepresentation and obfuscation.

You still fail to acknowledge the term as I am using it (because all you ever have is your pseudo-libertarian drum of "property rights, property rights..." that you must always beat and beat as hard as you can to drown out anyone ever murmuring under their breath the fact that private property rights are invented, a special legal privilege, and we might therefore consider corresponding obligations a fraction more etc.).

And certainly I never suggested the poor and middle class benefit just as much as the rich from these special legal privileges, these artificial rights. Clearly they benefit only in the smallest, smallest fraction that those at the top of the chain do (though still to the disadvantage of others beneath them or after them).

Rather I acknowledged that they also have vested interests, the primary reason is to ensure the survival of the system. I mentioned it was thus a systemic problem on that basis. In a democracy, you needs must give a majority a little piece of the pie so they will continue to vote for the whole pie.

Just like how we voted in this country through 1997,2002,2007. Even if you weren't getting your large dollop of equity appreciation through owning a property, you were still being kept happy with lower tax, higher salaries, increased welfare, and so on, that was being paid for with the cream off the top.

So those on the lower rungs of economic society may have been benefiting, the middle rung people even more so, but not nearly as much as those on the upper reaches who extracted untold financial gains through the agency of these "rights" we are discussing that they had purchased or otherwise acquired.
Now you have taken the opposite tack, but your argument is just as ridiculous.

Now you would like to do away with property rights.
But at the same time you insist that the Covid lockdowns which are resulting in the
fastest upward transfer of wealth in economic history are a positive because they
will destroy the income of the poor and middle classes and bring down the system.
If you still can't see the self negating stupidity of your argument then you are a
lost cause.
 

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All you have is lying. You are both a tragedy and a disgrace.

Anyone on the fence about this brand of pseudo libertarianism that this idiot promotes should go back and read into the parts where all he can manage in response is to make something up, misrepresent what his opponent is saying, retreat to the slogans and dogma of his creed etc.

We have an opportunity to learn from the destruction Covid has wrought to live better, build better, plan better, promote localism, build smaller, build slower and stronger, reduce financialisation of everything, and more.

The only opportunity Donald Trump, the far right, and many so called economic "liberal" bloggers and pundits see is to politicise crisis, shore up their privilege, destroy and recruit, blame their enemies for problems, and they care nothing for the victims on the way.

Well my last word to you and the tendency you advocate for is you are only a poisonous, rotten fringe, and will soon fall away.
 

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I just read a fascinating article in the Economist that said UK may start rolling out Covid vaccine before the end of 2020.

The two leader contenders are Astra Zeneca / Oxford Uni and Pfizer and these have started the European approval process on Oct 1 and 6th respectively .

Mass vaccination centres will be set up in places such as Woking Leisure Centre and Leeds Town Hall. There will also be mobile vaccination units to do Nursing Homes etc.

They are talking of this being 'weeks' away rather than months.
 
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I just read a fascinating article in the Economist that said UK may start rolling out Covid vaccine before the end of 2020.

The two leader contenders are Astra Zeneca / Oxford Uni and Pfizer and these have started the European approval process on Oct 1 and 6th respectively .

Mass vaccination centres will be set up in places such as Woking Leisure Centre and Leeds Town Hall. There will also be mobile vaccination units to do Nursing Homes etc.

They are talking of this being 'weeks' away rather than months.
AstraZeneca have a proven track record of falsifying clinical trials.


Such short and sharp practice has extended to manipulating the clinical record, something that should make any investors into a COVID-19 vaccine vary. The company has been known to fudge the results of clinical trials, stressing supposedly positive findings while diligently hiding nastier ones. The notorious CAFE (Comparison of Atypicals in First Episode) study on comparing the effectiveness of three “atypical” antipsychotic drugs – Seroquel, Zyprexa and Risperdal – was accused by Cardiff University’s David Healy, a senior psychiatrist, of being “a non-study of the worst kind”, designed as “an entirely marketing-driven exercise” rather than having any scientific value. The criteria of effectiveness – for instance, whether the drugs were taken to the end of the study – suggested that the designers from the AstraZeneca were only interested in one thing: that candidates using them stuck with the programme. This said nothing about effectiveness as such, a point made even more glaring by the study’s omission of older antipsychotics.
 

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An American vaccine trial by Johnson & Johnson has been stopped in its late stages after a participant developed an unexplained illness.

It is the second known suspension of a Covid-19 vaccine trial in the US after the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine paused trials to examine safety risks.

An antibody treatment by Eli Lilly has also been stopped for safety reasons.:(
 

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Germany is to provide $662 million (£508 million) in supplementary aid to Holocaust survivors, many of whom are struggling amid the pandemic.

Two payments of €1,200 (£1,084) will be given out over a two-year period to around 240,000 survivors around the world and provide services such as food,
medicine and programmes to alleviate social isolation.(y)
 

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An American vaccine trial by Johnson & Johnson has been stopped in its late stages after a participant developed an unexplained illness.

It is the second known suspension of a Covid-19 vaccine trial in the US after the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine paused trials to examine safety risks.

An antibody treatment by Eli Lilly has also been stopped for safety reasons.:(
I was waiting for this to start happening.

It was always going to happen as the liberal/commie/left have for the most part 'controlled' education and the system has produced/damaged people that are just not sharp/clever enough to work/produce safe high tech products. The few that have the capability shy away from these immoral instutions as they know that it is a dead-end career path.
You might think they're clever, and they might think so too, but IMO, they are thick as two bricks.
 
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