Commission of Investigation "Crock of $hit" re Mother and Baby Homes says activist Solicitor

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'Government publishes bill to overhaul coroners law and introduce automatic maternal death inquests'


Published 3 August 2018


https://www.irishlegal.com/article/g...death-inquests


The Government has published draft legislation to overhaul the law on coroners and provide for mandatory inquests in the case of maternal death.

Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan said the “very important” Coroners (Amendment) Bill 2018 would amend the Coroners Act 1962 to clarify, strengthen and modernise the law on the reporting of deaths to coroners, and their powers to investigate and inquest such deaths.

He also paid tribute to independent socialist TD Clare Daly who introduced a private member’s bill on the issue of maternal deaths three years ago.

The new bill will “allow a wider scope for inquiry where necessary at inquests, clarifying that they are not limited to establishing the medical cause of death, and seek to establish the circumstances in which the death occurred”, the minister said.

The Bill will require mandatory reporting to a coroner and inquest in all cases of maternal death. It will also require mandatory reporting to a coroner of all stillbirths, intrapartum deaths and perinatal deaths
 
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'Government publishes bill to overhaul coroners law and introduce automatic maternal death inquests'



*There are 6 mothers unaccounted for at Tuam Mother and Baby Home




Published 3 August 2018


https://www.irishlegal.com/article/g...death-inquests



The Government has published draft legislation to overhaul the law on coroners and provide for mandatory inquests in the case of maternal death.

Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan said the “very important” Coroners (Amendment) Bill 2018 would amend the Coroners Act 1962 to clarify, strengthen and modernise the law on the reporting of deaths to coroners, and their powers to investigate and inquest such deaths.

He also paid tribute to independent socialist TD Clare Daly who introduced a private member’s bill on the issue of maternal deaths three years ago.

The new bill will “allow a wider scope for inquiry where necessary at inquests, clarifying that they are not limited to establishing the medical cause of death, and seek to establish the circumstances in which the death occurred”, the minister said.

The Bill will require mandatory reporting to a coroner and inquest in all cases of maternal death. It will also require mandatory reporting to a coroner of all stillbirths, intrapartum deaths and perinatal deaths.

 
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Total Sh*t from DCYA in their Management Speak...




***Prosecutions over the illegal adoptions of 126 people [between 1946 and 1969] are unlikely, briefings provided to Zappone suggest



***A TARGETED ANALYSIS [HAHAHA...] of 100,000 adoption records was announced, but DCYA has admitted however, that the state of the files poses "challenges."



:mad: THIS IS DODGY. __IT'S FAIRLY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THEY ONLY LOOKED AT TEN (10) SAMPLES OUT OF 100,000 ADOPTION RECORDS_ AND SENT THEM TO THE GARDAI. _THEY ARE MAKING ALL THESE ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON TEN RECORDS… MISLEADING AR$EHOLES. :mad:



WHY ONLY TEN (10) SO CALLED RANDOM SAMPLES SENT TO GARDAI OUT OF 100,000? _HOW CAN THEY GUARANTEE THAT THESE SAMPLES WERE RANDOMLY SELECTED?



WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT THESE SO CALLED "RANDOM" SAMPLES ARE REPRESENTATIVE, AND ***WHAT OF THOSE RECORDS IN THE LARGER SET THAT ARE MUCH MORE RECENT AND THEREFORE, CLEARLY PROSECUTABLE ?***




:mad: *IN ESSENCE, THIS IS A SPECIOUS ARGUMENT BY THE DEPARTMENT FOR CHILDREN AND YOUTH AFFAIRS* :mad:





THE TIMES Ireland Edition


'Little hope of charges in adoption scandal'

Zappone queries 'significant payments' in records






Dr Fergal Lynch, Secretary General for Department for Children and Youth Affairs, replied to a question posed by Zappone in an email dated 28 May 2018, in which he reiterated:



[Dr Fergal Lynch Secretary General for DCYA] "I am conscious that the cases [*SO CALLED RANDOM SAMPLE OF TEN*] relate to actions from 50 to 70 years ago, by adults who would have been at least in their twenties when registering the births, so I am not sure how many of those responsible will still be alive," he wrote.


^^^ Total bullsh*t.
 
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'Man [in his sixties] pleads to be allowed go home in first High Court sitting in nursing home'



STARRY:


The man's treating doctor considers the nursing home 'resident' lacks "abstract thought processes"


The above comment by the man's treating doctor is very subjective.


Abstract thought processes are not required for independent living. There are many concrete thinkers out there who are doing quite fine thank you. :mad: The treating doctor doesn't know how to describe her own thinking let alone criticise the thinking of others. :mad:




Thu, Aug 2, 2018


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...home-1.3584350


By Mary Carolan


The man, who has no family supports in Ireland and whose condition was said to have seriously deteriorated since his mother died in 2012, is opposing a HSE application to have him made a ward of court. His objections are supported by SAGE, the advocacy group for older people.

Doctors have clashed about whether he has the necessary mental capacity to make decisions affecting his health and finances.

Two doctors, his treating consultant geriatrician since 2013 and a court appointed medical visitor who is a consultant psychiatrist with a background in neurology, say he lacks capacity.

His treating doctor said she believed a return home could result in his death. He had not accessed meals and other supports made available to him and was admitted to hospital multiple times, including in a state of “abject malnutrition”, she said.

Two consultant geriatricians who assessed him last May for the court proceedings disagreed, and said their view is he has capacity. One said there are daily risks in discharging people but he believed the man understood seizures can kill and was able to reason “what was the point of being safe if he was not happy”.

He was discharged to the nursing home early this year following a hospital admission and was “annoyed” because he believed he was going home from the hospital. Before he went to the nursing home, he said: “I coped with everything, I paid the bills and anything else”.

He said he cannot use a cooker because it was dangerous due to his seizures and ate take out meals which he microwaved. ***He said he took his medication and would take any assistance***. He follows football and is a Spurs fan.“I would just prefer to be at home."




The judge Peter Kelly said he would rule on the case in the Four Courts on Tuesday.
 

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Zappone needs to look at her home country and their history of abuse of unwed mothers and poor families. 1.5 million children were forcibly removed from their familes from 1950 to c. 1970. Native Americans were taken and fostered to familes and denied any part of their culture.
 
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Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread) - Page 5


*This thread was split precisely because of the unprecedented number of views and responses to my original post.*


Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Original Thread)


The pretext for the split was that the long thread was causing performance issues with the site. In my opinion, the real reason the thread was split was because of political pressure from the highest levels to squelch the dissent of birth mothers and illegal adoptees who oppose Minister Katherine Zappone's agenda, which seeks to deprive them of their human rights and right to natural justice.


*Birth mothers and illegal adoptees must form a united front and challenge Zappone's agenda together, refusing to compromise on full exhumation of Tuam mass interment of children and the child's innate right to their own identity absolutely.*


Figuratively speaking, give Zappone #both barrels


6 August 2018
 
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Warning: EXPLICIT MATERIAL


[To continue reading below text will leave you with nightmarish images in your head that you might not be able to block / erase about young children as young as 5 years... ]


Broadsheet.ie


24:26


Presenter 'Preposterous' asks activist solicitor Kevin Higgins about his client Peter Mulryan who was put in a bag and told he was going to be thrown into a bog hole.


Solicitor Kevin Higgins:


"Yes, that was what happened to him in the setting in which he was, as they call boarded out, which was a form of fostering, or informal adoption. Because here was no legislative basis for adoption until the Act of 1952. So you had children… boys generally who were sent out of the home to farming homesteads all over Galway and Mayo, and there theoretically to remain until they were16, when they would supposedly have some independence. In some cases the placement of children, [which] brought boys and girls into these homes was catastrophic beyond anything that you can imagine. In terms of not just hardship and hunger, but abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse.


[Panel member says: "Hey, that's outrageous."] 'Preposterous' asks Kevin to please continue...


[Kevin Higgins]


I am just saying that is simply the case, that happened.


[Kevin Higgins] I have read some of the files of children who went to these foster boarded out homes at the age of 5, and I have read the correspondence between some of the families who adopted them and the health authorities. And in some cases, it is quite clear nakedly from the handwritten correspondence that the families who took them in regarded them as just mere chattels. And treated them very poorly indeed.


Preposterous asks Kevin: As workers, is that right?


Kevin Higgins:


Well yes, my very good friend Peter Mulryan will tell you like at the age of 5 he was learning to say "Get up..." to herd cattle. His own particular experience wasn't a very happy one. But from what I know, and from what I read and other children who were boarded out that I have spoken to, now some of them are in their 70s, the treatment meted out to them was far worse than some of what happened to Peter. It was horrible. And young women were, make no mistake, they were even more vulnerable.

….



Further Reading: My transcription of Activist Solicitor Kevin Higgins' comments on Broadsheet.ie here ~

Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Original Thread)



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June 18, 2015

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/06/18...to-a-bog-hole/


Peter Mulryan said:


In the mid-Forties I was born in Tuam, in the home there and my mother was separated from me, just after a year of being there. I was taken out of there after four and a half years in that area which was absolutely shocking. Every child there went through that system, came out with pot bellies and why?

….

I was four and a half years there, I was adopted out in not nice conditions whatsoever. [My earliest memories were] isolated. I’m not worried about work but the way I was treated, every day I got up: beaten. I dreaded summers for the simple reason here, I never spoke about this before.


Many would get beaten with a rod or a stick, I was treated with nettles. Nettles put inside my trousers. I hated seeing summers coming because I knew this was going to happen again. I was put into a bag one day, I was told I was going to be put into the bog hole. That was my life story. I could go on for another hour.”


“The [foster] mother was an absolute angel and she would often say, when I was being hammered, ‘you might want him yet, some day’ and it did happen. I did [meet my birth mother] with a struggle. But I did meet her, she was in the home for 35 years. I wanted to take her out. I used to take her out once a month and I was told I was coming too often.


But I wanted to take her to our own home but was denied the chance and she died of a broken heart in that place, where she worked for 35 years in slavery, in a laundry where she worked in a cold yard, frosty mornings and the old-fashioned way of washing clothes and they couldn’t talk to their friends beside them. Nobody knew what was going on within the system.


They couldn’t talk about their life or complain. They were never let out to do shopping, anything. :mad: They were just what I call, like myself, *nobody*. :mad:


She died there and I didn’t know it in time to visit her either. She died aged 84 and she’d been there 35 years."





#BothBarrels



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Hear Ye… Hear Ye...



:mad: The Irish Times reveals.. _In 2003_ a 'deal was sought' by the VATICAN for the State not to access Church documents… WHILST TWO STATUTORY INQUIRIES WERE IN PROGRESS ~~~ THE RYAN COMMISSION AND FERNS INQUIRY



:mad: This happened during a State visit to Italy in a Vatican private meeting. Former President Mary McAleese said it was 'one of the most devastating moments in her presidency'



:mad: Mary McAleese refused to discuss this 'DIRTY DEAL' with the Vatican Secretary of State *Angelo Sodano,* who was seeking to protect the Vatican and Diocesan Archives



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...ents-1.3587955


Former President Mary McAleese said:


"He [Vatican Secretary of State] indicated that he would like, and the Vatican would like, an agreement with Ireland, a concordat with Ireland. I asked him why and it was very clear it was because he wanted to protect Vatican and diocesan archives
.

I have to say that I immediately said the conversation had to stop,” ....


Mary Mcaleese was concerned, as there were two Statutory inquiries under way in Ireland into Child Abuse by RCC:


The Ryan commission (the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse), set up in 2000, was investigating the treatment of children in industrial schools, reformatories and orphanages, run by 18 religious congregations
.

In March 2003, prior to her visit to Italy, the Ferns inquiry was set up, under retired Supreme Court justice Frank Murphy, to investigate clerical child sex abuse in Ferns diocese.


What he [Cardinal Sodano] was asking for was an agreement between the Holy See and the Irish government under which church documentation would be protected by the church and the State would, clearly, have no access to it. That was what he seemed to be saying,” she [McAleese] said.


STARRY:


What were the Government going to gain from the Vatican to make this sacrilegious 'dirty agreement'? How many quid did the Vatican offer for the pro quo?
 
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:mad: The Church and State have common interests to cover up. :mad:



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Social justice warriors believe that Zatherine Capone might be 'honoured' with a Benemerenti Medal from Pope Francis.


Benemerenti Medal ~

Benemerenti medal - Wikipedia



Mary McAleese was bestowed a Papal Knighthood for her contribution to the peace process in NI. Bertie the same (politicalirish.com member Cruimh stated Ahern received it after the deal with Woods - see below link for more info).


Brendan Smyth - how did he avoid extradition - Page 63



Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George ~

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred...f_Saint_George


The Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George (Italian: Sacro militare ordine costantiniano di San Giorgio) is a Roman Catholic dynastic order of knighthood founded 1520–1545 by two brothers belonging to the Angeli Comneni family.[citation needed] Currently, the grand magistry of the order is disputed among claimants to the headship of the former reigning house of Bourbon-Two Sicilies as heirs of the Farnese.

Although it is not an order of chivalry under patronage of the Holy See, membership is restricted to practising Roman Catholics.


Zappone married a former nun.
 
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Extract from Peter Mulryan's Letter to Mr Seamus Woulfe SC, Office of the Attorney General ~



Dear M Woulfe,

Further to my recent letter.

….

I have been constantly lied to and I have had enough guff from almost every official body in the State and have had enough of the Zappone circus. Failing to get satisfaction in that way, I have learned how to find my way to the Four Courts.

Yours faithfully

Peter Mulryan


A letter sent on Monday by Peter Mulryan, chairperson of the Tuam Home Survivors’ Network. to the Attorney General Seamus Woulfe concerning the remains at the former Tuam Mother and Baby Home.

The Attorney General has the power to order a coroner to hold inquests into the deaths of any remains exhumed at the site.

Peter’s infant sister Marian Bridget Mulryan is believed to be among the 796 children recorded as having died at the Bon Secours mother and baby home in Tuam, Co Galway between 1925 and 1961.



[74 year old Peter Mulryan is a cancer sufferer]



Great job Peter! Thank you to Bodger.



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I'm in a hurry to get this out. I will type the full text of Peter's letter dated 7 August 2018, to AG when I have time. I realise some readers have ad-blockers and are unable to view the letter.​
 
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Starryplough01 put this out yesterday... Fascinating reading... The Castlepollard thread is a fantastic resource (it's drawing thousands of readers since the purge operation started) ~


Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Original Thread)


Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread) - Page 7

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Excellent article by Patsy McGarry in the Irish Times… Trying to get this up quickly...




:mad: Dean of the College of Cardinals His Eminence Cardinal Angelo Sodano is a TOAD :mad:




:mad: *On 12 November 2004, dirty dealing Cardinal Angelo Sodano meets Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern seeking a State indemnity for the Vatican against any future legal actions for compensation by victims of child sexual abuse in parishes or elsewhere by priests. Ahern was not forewarned and said that he was completely taken aback. Dermot Ahern refused.



:mad: *When Secretary of State to the Holy See, Angelo Sodano had met with former President Mary McAleese the previous year in November 2003, and was seeking a dirty deal to protect the Vatican and Diocesan Archives. Ms McAeese described this as “one of the most devastating moments in my presidency,” she said the conversation had to stop. Mary McAleese refused.


Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread)




Please read the article in full here ~

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...osal-1.3589118


By Patsy McGarry



The background context:



The Ferns inquiry, under the chairmanship of former Supreme Court justice Frank Murphy, had begun its work in March 2003 and the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, established in May 2000, was ongoing under Mr Justice Seán Ryan.

Announcing the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse in Dáil Éireann the previous year (May 1999) … then taoiseach Bertie Ahern said a redress board would also be set up to compensate people who had been in those institutions as children.

… in October 2001, then minister for education and science Michael Woods announced the setting up of the redress board. Almost immediately the then religious congregations’ representative body, the Conference of Religious in Ireland (Cori), announced its willingness “to become involved in principle” with the State redress scheme.

It was acting on behalf of the 18 congregations that had run the orphanages, reformatories and industrial schools concerned.

Lengthy and difficult negotiations concluded in January 2002 with the congregations agreeing to pay the State €128 million (IR£100 million) in return for being indemnified against all future actions by former residents of the institutions for children that they had managed.

However this very controversial deal did not indemnify other church authorities against legal actions by people who had been abused in parishes, or elsewhere, by priests

A meeting of the Irish Episcopal Conference in May 2004 was told that it could cost the church as much as €50 million to cover compensation and help for victims of clerical child sex abuse in parishes over the following decade. The bishops were invited to offer proposals as to how the money might be raised.
To date in Ireland the 18 religious congregations have yet to fulfil the terms of the 2002 indemnity deal and of later offers they made to the State.

Of that €128 million they agreed to pay in 2002, €4.21 million (3 per cent) is still outstanding.

More significantly, following publication of the Ryan report in May 2009, all 18 congregations were called in by the government of the day and asked to increase their contributions to redress costs.

It followed a recommendation by Mr Justice Ryan in his report that the congregations pay half the costs of redress, with the taxpayer paying the rest.

Combined, the congregations offered a further €352.61 million, of which €103.17 has been paid over (in cash and property), or 29 per cent.

The redress scheme has cost the taxpayer €1.5 billion with 15,579 people, who had been in institutions managed by the congregations as children, receiving awards which averaged €62,250 each.


Angelo Sodano - Wikipedia


Former Irish minister for foreign affairs Dermot Ahern stated that in 2004, Sodano pressurized him to "indemnify the Catholic Church against legal actions for compensation by clerical child sexual-abuse survivors" in Ireland, which Ahern refused.[7]


Updated:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...aims-1.3589213


By Patsy McGarry


“No one forewarned me. I was completely taken aback,” Mr Ahern said of the approach by Vatican secretary of state Cardinal Angelo Sodano.

Revealing details of the meeting for the first time, the former minister told The Irish Times: “The cardinal had just come off a plane from the US where he had successfully concluded claims. It was a very direct question. He wanted to know whether the Irish government would indemnify the Vatican against any similar claims in Ireland. He was as blunt as that.”

Mr Ahern told him that “on no account could I give such an undertaking and that it was a matter that would have to be decided by the government anyhow. I was very annoyed."
 
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