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#85
Well, they don't want independence. They want to be ruled by Brussels in the event of them seceding from Madrid.
They also are ignoring a large trace of their own nation by not calling for seccession from France also.
They basically want a partitioned Catalonia under EU rule.
Not worth getting your skull cracked imo.
They feel safer under a distant capital that has no direct stake in them but where funds can be procured nevertheless. Brussels has a large empire to run afterall. But there's a malfunction there too because they've idealised the EU and have missed the very visible demonstrations of raw political power whereby the EU has crushed or attempted to crush unwanted uprisings.

But, yeah, it's pretty lightweight nationalism even if the EU was game to grant them full status of the other EU states..

Whilst I wish for noone to be hurt, I'm enjoying this political crisis as it's a broader symptom of general EU collapse.
 
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Catalans are pro-EU and pro-Rapefugee.




The largest pro-refugee rally in the history of mankind was held in Barcelona. 250K+ attended.

Barcelona (AFP) - Tens of thousands of people marched through Barcelona on Saturday urging the Spanish government to immediately meet its pledge to take in thousands of refugees.

Ada Colau, the mayor of Spain's second city, had called on Barcelona residents to "fill the streets" and march under the slogan volem acollir ("We want to welcome them" in Catalan).


https://www.yahoo.com/news/160-000-join-pro-refugee-protest-barcelona-182133620.html

They blocked the Defend Europa boat from docking in their port. Defend Europa wanted to monitor the smuggling racket the NGO boats were engaged in.

Anti-immigration vessel barred from docking in Catalan ports

Rejection of C-Star ship comes after months of pro-refugee actions by Barcelona:


http://catalannews.com/society-science/item/anti-immigration-vessel-barred-from-docking-in-catalan-ports

Pro-refugee activist wins 2015 Catalan of the Year Award:

http://catalannews.com/society-science/item/pro-refugee-activist-wins-2015-catalan-of-the-year-award

After their recent truck attack, a small group of normal people wanted to protest against Muslim immigration. They were beaten up and denied this right.

So I'm pretty neutral on this whole thing. On one side, it would be nice to have a country where all the open-border anarcho-communist thugs could move to with their Islamic friends as long as we can seal them in.

On the other hand, you can see why Spain would not want this.

If Longford was 51% Muslim in 40 years, would Ireland put up with them having a vote to become the Islamic state of Longford?

However, I would not have sent the police in to violently oppose it. Let them have their vote and then call it invalid. I don't know the full details though.
 

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It seems the Spaniards haven't quite exorcised Franco's ghost. By lowering the boom on the Catalans, they provide a cautionary tale to the Basques, lest they get any wise ideas as well.

While the U.S. and her fellow travelers attempted to browbeat Madrid into recognizing Kosovo's independence, the Spanish feared that would inspire separatists in their own country. I suppose they were right to worry.
 
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It seems the Spaniards haven't quite exorcised Franco's ghost. By lowering the boom on the Catalans, they provide a cautionary tale to the Basques, lest they get any wise ideas as well.

While the U.S. and her fellow travelers attempted to browbeat Madrid into recognizing Kosovo's independence, the Spanish feared that would inspire separatists in their own country. I suppose they were right to worry.
Enough of this "fascist" nonsense. My Facebook page is coming down with this bollix analogy.
The Socialist Party of Spain (the main opposition) also oppose Catalan secession, as do the Socialist Party of Catalonia.
Ahead of planned Catalan poll, main opposition Socialist Party sides with government

Kershaw is right. Most of these Catalan "nationalists", (I know scores of them) are Open Borders freaks who despise the Spanish living in Catalonia (and indeed the English, German and Irish who visit or retire there) but love the African and Arab hordes who will soon make Catalans a minority in their own country.

At present they have their own Parliament, their own police force, their language is the main language taught in school, their culture is protected (whilst Spanish culture is daily attacked).
 

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Say what you will, but had Franco not set the precedent for suppressing separatist elements during his regime, the Socialists would now be enthusiastically supporting the separatists, as they did during the Civil War. I never referred to Franco as a fascist. The Falangists were indeed militarists and counter-revolutionaries but certainly not fascists.
 
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Say what you will, but had Franco not set the precedent for suppressing separatist elements during his regime, the Socialists would now be enthusiastically supporting the separatists, as they did during the Civil War. I never referred to Franco as a fascist. The Falangists were indeed militarists and counter-revolutionaries but certainly not fascists.

If they were suppressed so much, then how are they more affluent than the rest of Spain.
How did the "oppressed" become more affluent than the "oppressor"?
And why aren't they calling for seccession from France also?
 
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Say what you will, but had Franco not set the precedent for suppressing separatist elements during his regime, the Socialists would now be enthusiastically supporting the separatists, as they did during the Civil War. I never referred to Franco as a fascist. The Falangists were indeed militarists and counter-revolutionaries but certainly not fascists.
Almost every social housing programme in Catalonia was built by the Falange movement.
There have hardly been any major programme since.
 

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The Spanish people stand firmly behind the Spanish government in this attempted coup by Catalunya. That is real democracy.
 
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