Article on how "cancel culture" in the Weimar Republic contributed to the Shoah.

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We sometimes here that we need "Hate Speech Laws", etc, etc, etc because not having them would mean "not learning the lessons of the Holocaust". Well here we have an article written from an actual historical examination of the facts turns such arguments on their head as well as seriously asks why have groups such as the "Anti-Defamation League" and the "Campaign Against Anti-Semitism" refused to learn the historical lessons of the Weimar Republic and it's demise with the ascension to power of Adolph Hitler. It gives a few possibilities as to the reasons why.


"......In his conclusive work on the Holocaust, Jewish historian David Cesarani delved briefly into the work of the CV, (Centralverein deutscher Staatsbürger jüdischen Glaubens – the central association of German citizens of the Jewish faith).

It would be a crude act of denial to fail to see the overwhelming similarity between the CV that was formed in 1893 and the likes of the ADL, SPLC, CRIF, the BOD and the CAA. Cesarani writes about the CV that it was formed “to combat the lies propagated by anti-Semites and oppose them when they stood for election.” Clearly, Jeremy Corbyn, Bernie Sanders and Cynthia McKinney weren’t the first politicians to be targeted by dedicated Jewish pressure groups. The CV was using the same tactics over a century ago.

Cesarani continues: “over the next two decades, the CV proved quite effective: suing rabble rousers for defamation, funding candidates pledged to contest anti-Semitism, producing voluminous amounts of educational material about Judaism and Jewish life, and coordinating the activity of sympathetic non-Jews ashamed of prejudice within their communities.” (Final Solution: The Fate of the Jews 1933-1949, David Cesarani pg.10)

Like the ADL and AIPAC in the USA, and the CAA in Britain, the CV saw its popularity amongst Jews grow rapidly. By 1926 more than 60.000 German Jews were amongst its members, however, there is a good reason to believe that the more popular the CV was amongst Jews, the less popular Jews and their politics were to Germans. We can observe that the ADL and CAA are not marching in virgin territory, there is historical documentation that points out that abrasive Jewish pressure politics have, in the past, helped lead to catastrophic consequences.

The Jewish Virtual Library produces a fascinating glimpse into the CV’s activity. In 1934 when the Nazi Party was already in power, the Party made no attempt to conceal its anti Jewish sentiments, yet, the CV, apparently in a state of complete denial, ignored the political shift in Germany and continued to pursue its pressure politics.

Following is a report by the CV from 26 April 1934:

“To the Regional branches:
Central Germany
Rheinland—Westfalia
Northern Germany
Hessen
Eastern Westfalia.

Friends from small and middle sized towns have recently complain that songs with coarse anti-Jewish texts are being sung brazenly and provocatively. We intend to officially approach the Reich Ministry and report all these incidents and to address a letter of the board to the SA Chief and Reich Minister Roehm and to the Prussian Secret State Police. A representative of the CV will also raise this matter with the Propaganda Ministry. We therefore ask to report as soon as possible: In what localities such songs are being sung. What songs are being sung. Who is doing the singing.
(signed) Rubenstein.”.........."
 
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History is awash with groups who refuse to integrate with the mainstream either....linguistically, culturally, by marriages, dress code, allegiances to the State, cuisine, legal system etc etc.

Look at what happened to the Chinese in California a couple hundred years ago. Or Catholics & Prods in Ulster. Or the towns with the Rape Gangs in the North of England.

Integration & assimilation is essential if peoples are going to get along. So much for multiculturalism when there are ghettos that speak one language, follow one religion, support one leader.

A successful multiculturalism would be a street containing 50 different ethnicities and nationalities.....and all loyal to the State.

Monocultural ghettos spell trouble, look to the Shankill & Falls road if you do not believe me.
 
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History is awash with groups who refuse to integrate with the mainstream either....linguistically, culturally, by marriages, dress code, allegiances to the State, cuisine, legal system etc etc.
Again you have a nasty habit of speaking without either investigation or reason. Recently I looked into Gerhard Kittel, the Lutheran Professor who was basically the Hitlerite top expert on Rabbinic Judaism, who everyone acknowledges was a scholar of immense intellectual power and knowledge, and actually far from a crude anti-Semite. He had tremendous respect for traditional Religious Jews, it was rather the lawyers and bullies of CV (the Weimar German version of the ADL- he was particularly angered when it came to their response to Jewish over representation in organized crime) and the shallow nihilistic "critical spirit" of a sizable number of secularized Jews. It was exactly the "assimilated Jews" (assimilated in so far as Alan Shatter is assimilated) as such who he had problems with.
 

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Again you have a nasty habit of speaking without either investigation or reason. Recently I looked into Gerhard Kittel, the Lutheran Professor who was basically the Hitlerite top expert on Rabbinic Judaism, who everyone acknowledges was a scholar of immense intellectual power and knowledge, and actually far from a crude anti-Semite. He had tremendous respect for traditional Religious Jews, it was rather the lawyers and bullies of CV (the Weimar German version of the ADL- he was particularly angered when it came to their response to Jewish over representation in organized crime) and the shallow nihilistic "critical spirit" of a sizable number of secularized Jews. It was exactly the "assimilated Jews" (assimilated in so far as Alan Shatter is assimilated) as such who he had problems with.
Regrettably, alas, I happened upon this wretched post when logged out and the ignore function was thus disabled.

May I suggest you engage with the good people on Wikipedia, demonstrate your own "deep study", to try and have his entry re-written?

For at the moment Gerhard Kittel - Wikipedia reads:

"... For the Third Reich, he produced antisemitic propaganda posing as scholarship.[1]

A Professor of Evangelical Theology and New Testament at the University of Tübingen, he published studies depicting the Jewish people as the historical enemy of Germany, Christianity, and European culture in general. In a lecture of June 1933 Die Judenfrage (The Jewish Question), that soon appeared in print, he spoke for the stripping of citizenship from German Jews, their removal from medicine, law, teaching, and journalism, and to forbid marriage or sexual relations with non-Jews—thus anticipating by two years the Nazi government, which introduced its Nuremberg Racial Laws and took away Jewish rights of German citizenship in 1935.[1] A close friend of Walter Frank, Kittel joined Frank's Reichsinstitut für Geschichte des neuen Deutschlands, a highly politicised organisation that claimed to be involved in scholarship, upon its foundation in 1935. Within this institute he was attached to the highly antisemitic Forschungsabteilung judenfrage.[4]

William F. Albright wrote that, "In view of the terrible viciousness of his attacks on Judaism and the Jews, which continues at least until 1943, Gerhard Kittel must bear the guilt of having contributed more, perhaps, than any other Christian theologian to the mass murder of Jews by Nazis."

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But, instructive for our problems today with the rise of the "far-right", admittedly, when you consider how many fundamental Catholicks you get on this forum.

"... What led so many German Protestant theologians to welcome the Nazi regime and its policies of racism and anti-Semitism? In this provocative book, Robert P. Ericksen examines the work and attitudes of three distinguished, scholarly, and influential theologians who greeted the rise of Hitler with enthusiasm and support. In so doing, he shows how National Socialism could appeal to well-meaning and intelligent people in Germany and why the German university and church were so silent about the excesses and evil that confronted them..."

 

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A successful multiculturalism would be a street containing 50 different ethnicities and nationalities.....and all loyal to the State.
In other words, a Utopia that will never exist, nor can it ever bring harmony. Look at the rioting and disintegration of the US nation right now, all in the name of statism and the will-to-power to control the mechanisms of state control. And once there is an aggrieved party in a secular state system, they drag up and recruit the old grievances and cultural animosities to assist in their bid for a power shift. This is why we need our own nations, based on culture and religion, to which the state is both subservient to,and protective of said culture. Culture is king.
 
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In other words, a Utopia that will never exist, nor can it ever bring harmony. Look at the rioting and disintegration of the US nation right now, all in the name of statism and the will-to-power to control the mechanisms of state control. And once there is an aggrieved party in a secular state system, they drag up and recruit the old grievances and cultural animosities to assist in their bid for a power shift. This is why we need out own nations, based on culture and religion, to which the state is both subservient and protective of said culture. Culture is king.

The only ones who share your "culture" are a handful of loons in the US Bible Belt. You can go there now and live happily with them. Or, are you afraid you'd fall out with them too? And they'd kick you out?
 
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In other words, a Utopia that will never exist, nor can it ever bring harmony. Look at the rioting and disintegration of the US nation right now, all in the name of statism and the will-to-power to control the mechanisms of state control. And once there is an aggrieved party in a secular state system, they drag up and recruit the old grievances and cultural animosities to assist in their bid for a power shift. This is why we need out own nations, based on culture and religion, to which the state is both subservient and protective of said culture. Culture is king.
The thing is that we have to deal with things the way they are. You are completely out of step with the contemporary majority culture- and so am I, in fact in terms of culture if not quite in terms of politics I would say that we are in a lot of very important ways very close culturally to each other. If anything that I would be closer to the contemporary majority culture than you (this does not imply a value judgement). You seem to believe that secularization of indigenous Western Europe and even so much more worse the hallowing out of all Christian forms of their Christian content while leaving the forms standing but filled with a repulsive worldly sentimentality and "self-help" spiel is a temporary thing which will soon be reversed- you even seem to believe that a blood bath with Muslims might well or even probably reverse this situation but in actual fact if the West is to define itself against Islam in the current situation that we have such a blood bath would leave any authentic Christianity in an even more precarious situation and strengthen the hands of the militant homosexualists and their ilk.

Also conflict and blood shed is just part of life. The story of Cain and Abel is what opens up human history in the Bible and not without Reason. Whatever you do and whatever precautions you take conflict and bloodshed are unavoidable. This is one of my major gripes with Marxism and if not else I think that the Sino-Soviet split and even "Cold War" shows I think that there is at least a lot of truth in my gripe with it. As much as he might be Utopian I think maybe pretty much the same could be said about yourself.
 
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Regrettably, alas, I happened upon this wretched post when logged out and the ignore function was thus disabled.

May I suggest you engage with the good people on Wikipedia, demonstrate your own "deep study", to try and have his entry re-written?

For at the moment Gerhard Kittel - Wikipedia reads:
You are a clown. I don't try to "re-write" stuff on wikipedia. I leave that up to others. I am well aware what Albright said however the fact remains that he was considered a major propaganda coup for the Hitlerite regime because he lent it the respectability of an Old Testament and Rabbinics scholar who was universally respected. Gerhard Kittel indeed believed in removing Jewish power from the life of other Germans and basically advocated an Apartheid regime- in some ways a lot humane than the one or rather the ones that exist within the Green Line in the Settler Colonial State in Palestine, if we will look at things honestly. Yes he believed that Jews should be stripped of German citizenship and other things I would find deeply unpleasant.

The vicious attacks on Rabbinic Judaism actually began with allied war crimes- and these vicious attacks basically amounted to speaking about the fact that not only in the Balvi but also in the Mishnah it should be legal for a Jew to kill a non-Jew for whatever reason they want, and also the whole Religious glorification of hatred that you find in Rabbinic Judaism (as well as "secular Zionists" and some forms of Islam both Shia and Sunni) came under his public aggression.

The below which gives an account of his career and basically blames German Christianity- in particular Protestant Christianity- for what the Jews suffered under the Hitlerite regime. It is essentially hostile to him but because it is an academic book it has to keep within certain boundaries. These boundaries are going very quickly, in some fields more than others and will soon be gone totally. The chapter on him which is over one hundred pages would be worth reading not just for yourself but for others. Would you dismiss Heidegger so lightly?

 
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the Shoah was horrific. And it was history repeating itself. Again and again. Look at Nepal today ? Or An Gorta Mór, or even Bosnia in 1991.
 

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The thing is that we have to deal with things the way they are.
Not necessarily. Things as they are have failed spectacularly. I am all in on changing how things are, as opposed to attempting to make it work. What was that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. No indeed, the time for a major revision of how things are has arrived. It won't be pretty.
 
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Not necessarily. Things as they are have failed spectacularly. I am all in on changing how things are, as opposed to attempting to make it work. What was that saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. No indeed, the time for a major revision of how things are has arrived. It won't be pretty.
Things as they are have failed spectaculary since Eden.
 
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