Ann Marie Waters forms new Party.

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I'm not in agreement with Nigel Farage on a lot of things but I believe that he is a very sincere and likable chap. Ann Marie Waters is an aggressive atheist of the types that make out on the other place that Alive! is integralist hate speech who is just pure negativity.


 

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I'm not in agreement with Nigel Farage on a lot of things but I believe that he is a very sincere and likable chap. Ann Marie Waters is an aggressive atheist of the types that make out on the other place that Alive! is integralist hate speech who is just pure negativity.

I don't really think she'll do any damage to UKIP. She has a totally different mindset to Farage and I think she wants something completely different to him. UKIP was never the right party for her.
 

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I wonder how she considers herself to be British - when she was born and reared in Dublin and has an Irish accent.
 
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I wonder how she considers herself to be British - when she was born and reared in Dublin and has an Irish accent.
Nick Griffin who I sometimes listen to because he is extremely intelligent and sometimes can be incredibly has accused her of being an "Irish Republican". I wonder what he meant by that. You still get people on the Right in England who will consider the Irish British and she is leading a British supposedly at least Nationalist Party, but does she actually consider herself British? I don't know. I did notice in the part of the speech I listened to that she kept referring to Britain and not to the "Home Nations" or "our family of Peoples".
 

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Nick Griffin who I sometimes listen to because he is extremely intelligent and sometimes can be incredibly has accused her of being an "Irish Republican". I wonder what he meant by that. You still get people on the Right in England who will consider the Irish British and she is leading a British supposedly at least Nationalist Party, but does she actually consider herself British? I don't know. I did notice in the part of the speech I listened to that she kept referring to Britain and not to the "Home Nations" or "our family of Peoples".

There's a quote on her wikipedia page saying she considers herself to be "passionately British." I see she's a lesbian too. Lesbians often have identity problems. But I'm just looking at that speech you posted - she doesn't come across as British at all. Farage is a true Brit. You couldn't even imagine him as anything else. Same for Nick Griffin. But this woman is actually alien to Englishness, which means she's alien to Britishness. But, maybe when she says she's British, she means it in the same way as a Pakistani woman would. Wouldn't that be ironic.
 
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I wonder how she considers herself to be British - when she was born and reared in Dublin and has an Irish accent.
What I wonder really is now that she has left UKIP will her wealthy Zionist backers continue supporting. That is the major question.

She is the total opposite of the Hiberno-English leader of the National Front over there in the 1980s (who was to be fair actually born and bred in England) who really didn't like homosexuals, was totally paranoid about Jews, was a devout Traditionalist Catholic and thought that England should look to Libya as it was at the time and the Islamic Republic of Ireland for models as well as having good things to say about Farrakhan.
 

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What I wonder really is now that she has left UKIP will her wealthy Zionist backers continue supporting. That is the major question.

She is the total opposite of the Hiberno-English leader of the National Front over there in the 1980s (who was to be fair actually born and bred in England) who really didn't like homosexuals, was totally paranoid about Jews, was a devout Traditionalist Catholic and thought that England should look to Libya as it was at the time and the Islamic Republic of Ireland for models as well as having good things to say about Farrakhan.

Who was that a chara?
 
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Who was that a chara?
Derek Holland. He was actually a very interesting man. He could be very extreme at times but he also had a positive vision drawing on the old Tory Socialists, Little Englanders and the early British ecologists. Her vision seems to be principally about secularism and consumerism.
 
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There's a quote on her wikipedia page saying she considers herself to be "passionately British." I see she's a lesbian too. Lesbians often have identity problems. But I'm just looking at that speech you posted - she doesn't come across as British at all. Farage is a true Brit. You couldn't even imagine him as anything else. Same for Nick Griffin. But this woman is actually alien to Englishness, which means she's alien to Britishness. But, maybe when she says she's British, she means it in the same way as a Pakistani woman would. Wouldn't that be ironic.
Well for all differences Ireland and England are part of the same wider Western Culture sphere. The thing they have both criticized her for, one more gently than the other, is my major problem with her- she is principally about being against something rather than for something (however I suspect her militant homosexualism goes hand in hand with her rabid Zionism/"Counter-Jihad" stuff.
 

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Well for all differences Ireland and England are part of the same wider Western Culture sphere. The thing they have both criticized her for, one more gently than the other, is my major problem with her- she is principally about being against something rather than for something (however I suspect her militant homosexualism goes hand in hand with her rabid Zionism/"Counter-Jihad" stuff.

All in all a very messed up character. The last thing the English actually need.
 

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Derek Holland. He was actually a very interesting man. He could be very extreme at times but he also had a positive vision drawing on the old Tory Socialists, Little Englanders and the early British ecologists. Her vision seems to be principally about secularism and consumerism.

I'm just listening to this interview with Holland - he sounds like a decent man. It's interesting that he went out of his way to credit Marx for influencing his ideas.

 
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I'm not in agreement with Nigel Farage on a lot of things but I believe that he is a very sincere and likable chap. Ann Marie Waters is an aggressive atheist of the types that make out on the other place that Alive! is integralist hate speech who is just pure negativity.


She is very articulate at describing the threat of Islam so more power to her in that regard. If she is a feminist and whatever else...then people like her need a party too. Establishment probably view her as more of threat because it is harder for them to paint an Irish, lesbian feminist with a law degree as a neo-nazi hooligan. The public just aren't going to buy it.

She is speaking at the Traditional Britain Conference this Saturday.

http://traditionalbritain.org/events/traditional-britain-conference-london-october-21st-2017/