An enigma of WWII history: The Third Reich's non-persecution of Karaite Jews.

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Karaite Judaism is a break away group from Rabbinic Judaism which rejects the whole "Oral Law" and only accepts the Old Testament as binding which was founded in the 8 th century in Babylon by a man named Anan ben David but soon spread through out the Jewish world. Before the Shabbatians came along, the Karaites were the ultimate internal Jewish baddies in the eyes of the Rabbinate and the custom of lighting candles on the Sabbath which actually goes against the clear instructions of the Bible was brought in by them to make it obvious who was a Karaite and who wasn't. While the Rabbis did what they could be persecute them the Karaites however found favour not just with Muslim rulers but with the Tsars of Russia. The animosity that existed between other Jews and Christian Russia didn't effect them to a large degree. While they were culturally different from other Eastern European Jewry, especially after Hasidism took off, racially they weren't.

The thing is that the Third Reich decided to leave them completely alone even as they rounded up German Jewish Patriots who in some cases were even converts to Christianity.

This Day in Jewish History / Nazis declare: Karaites are not racially Jewish
 

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Karaite Judaism is a break away group from Rabbinic Judaism which rejects the whole "Oral Law" and only accepts the Old Testament as binding which was founded in the 8 th century in Babylon by a man named Anan ben David but soon spread through out the Jewish world. Before the Shabbatians came along, the Karaites were the ultimate internal Jewish baddies in the eyes of the Rabbinate and the custom of lighting candles on the Sabbath which actually goes against the clear instructions of the Bible was brought in by them to make it obvious who was a Karaite and who wasn't. While the Rabbis did what they could be persecute them the Karaites however found favour not just with Muslim rulers but with the Tsars of Russia. The animosity that existed between other Jews and Christian Russia didn't effect them to a large degree. While they were culturally different from other Eastern European Jewry, especially after Hasidism took off, racially they weren't.

The thing is that the Third Reich decided to leave them completely alone even as they rounded up German Jewish Patriots who in some cases were even converts to Christianity.

This Day in Jewish History / Nazis declare: Karaites are not racially Jewish
i didnt know the above.
over 50 000 jews fought in the wehrmacht. hitlers personal bodyguard was jewish.
if the judge in the david irwing trial is any example, he stated the evidence for gas chambers was very thin indeed.
The whole area or period needs proper historical revision.
 

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Very interesting. I wouldn't say anyone would put all Jews in the same basket, or blame them for the crimes of the Zionists and the banksters.
 
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i didnt know the above.
over 50 000 jews fought in the wehrmacht. hitlers personal bodyguard was jewish.
if the judge in the david irwing trial is any example, he stated the evidence for gas chambers was very thin indeed.
The whole area or period needs proper historical revision.
Utter and total bull.
 

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You claimed Muslims carried out the Brevik Atrocity - c'mon you are no expert on the Middle East & it's peoples.
 
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I agree.
in fact the truth is more closer to 150 000 Jews who fought for Hitler.
Cambridge university professor has wrote a very detailed book on the subject matter.
Lives of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers | By Bryan Mark Rigg
"... As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the "race" of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers.

The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous "exemptions" were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier's parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler's own signature can be found on many of these "exemption" orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht's growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich..."
 

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"... As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the "race" of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers.

The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous "exemptions" were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier's parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler's own signature can be found on many of these "exemption" orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht's growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich..."
fair enough bill but a great many of them did think of themselves as Jewish yet they were still allowed in the army and those that didn't were still welcomed into the wehrmacht even though they'd Jewish ancestory.
 
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Karaite Judaism is a break away group from Rabbinic Judaism which rejects the whole "Oral Law" and only accepts the Old Testament as binding which was founded in the 8 th century in Babylon by a man named Anan ben David but soon spread through out the Jewish world. Before the Shabbatians came along, the Karaites were the ultimate internal Jewish baddies in the eyes of the Rabbinate and the custom of lighting candles on the Sabbath which actually goes against the clear instructions of the Bible was brought in by them to make it obvious who was a Karaite and who wasn't. While the Rabbis did what they could be persecute them the Karaites however found favour not just with Muslim rulers but with the Tsars of Russia. The animosity that existed between other Jews and Christian Russia didn't effect them to a large degree. While they were culturally different from other Eastern European Jewry, especially after Hasidism took off, racially they weren't.

The thing is that the Third Reich decided to leave them completely alone even as they rounded up German Jewish Patriots who in some cases were even converts to Christianity.

This Day in Jewish History / Nazis declare: Karaites are not racially Jewish
"... On January 5, 1939, the Reich Office for Genealogical Research issued a written opinion stating that it did not view the Karaite community as being racially connected to the Jews.

Although this was hardly the last word on the subject from within the vast Nazi hierarchy, which was obsessed with pseudo-scientific questions of this type, the statement served as the basis for what became the fundamental German policy toward these descendants of this ancient non-Rabbinic Jewish sect. As a consequence, most of the approximately 7,000 Karaites living in those parts of the Soviet Union occupied by Germany were spared annihilation by the Nazi killing machine, even as their Jewish neighbors were deported or simply murdered on the spot..."
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I don't see what's so surprising about this exception. It is just the case of the exception that proves the rule.

The Jews in the twentieth century were persecuted and murdered under the logic of "racial traits that contaminate other species".

Just as in the same way yourself and TG would have no problem with the 5,000-7,000 Neturai Karta Jews, which group does not meet the logic you wield (i.e. that they support an evil, illegitimate, murdering state cynically based on 'victimhood' that at the very least has been outrageously exaggerated, and that overshadows other peoples’ suffering etc.)
 

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It's pretty clear that Hitler needed an enemy, someone to blame and he chose Jews, all his rhetoric was false but he became obsessed about it. He was a callous madman who, during a war put huge resources into executing men, women and children from one religion. It's sad to think that people still cling on to his coat tails now in this century.
 
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