Amazon`s project G gets go ahead for Dublin

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Lucky you.... it is sinister however.
Una, it's not just the likes of you and I that consider this to be sinister. No less than the Financial Times has referred to the "toxic business model" of Amazon, Google and Facebook. And when your whole business model is based on spying on people who trust you, and then selling on what you learn about them and their families and friends to anybody who will pay you, then who could say that the FT is wrong - this is indeed a toxic business model.
 

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I'll just clean this up for you, it's.... Tuatha Dé Danann.
There you go.

.....Never go full 'apoplectic froth'

...NEXT
They also imparted proof reading skills.
Incredible.
 

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So even the globalist mags are hinting that these giants need to be broken up, like IBM was.
IBM was not, to the best of my knowledge, broken up. It faced an antitrust investigation in the last 1970s but that was dropped when Regan became president.
 

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IBM was not, to the best of my knowledge, broken up. It faced an antitrust investigation in the last 1970s but that was dropped when Regan became president.
In any case, I don't think regulators are going down the trust busting road this time.

The Economist has suggested making data tradable, with individuals having the right to sell their data.
Exchanges would soon follow.

Whether or not this is feasible, time will tell.

https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21721634-how-it-shaping-up-data-giving-rise-new-economy

Researchers have only just begun to develop pricing methodologies, something Gartner, a consultancy, calls “infonomics”. One of its pioneers, Jim Short of the University of California in San Diego, studies cases where a decision has been made about how much data are worth. One such involves a subsidiary of Caesars Entertainment, a gambling group, that filed for bankruptcy in 2015. Its most valuable asset, at $1bn, was determined to be the data it is said to hold on the 45m customers who had joined the company’s customer-loyalty programme over the previous 17 years.
 
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IBM was not, to the best of my knowledge, broken up. It faced an antitrust investigation in the last 1970s but that was dropped when Regan became president.
History of IBM - Wikipedia
In 1969 IBM "unbundled" software and services from hardware sales. Until this time customers did not pay for software or services separately from the very high price for leasing the hardware. Software was provided at no additional charge, generally in source code form. Services (systems engineering, education and training, system installation) were provided free of charge at the discretion of the IBM Branch office. This practice existed throughout the industry. Quoting from the abstract to a widely read IEEE paper on the topic:[147][148]
Many people believe that one pivotal event in the growth of the business software products market was IBM's decision, in 1969, to price its software and services separately from its hardware.


This is what is ment by the breaking up of the ibm monopoly.

A personal recollection: IBM's unbundling of software and services | Request PDF
The first digital computers from the 1950s had been developed in close cooperation between manufacturers and users, with computer programs not yet perceived as a product that is independent from hardware but rather " as a research tool to be developed and im-proved by all users " (Gulley & Lakhani 2010: 6). Starting with the end of the 1960s, however, software began being acknowledged as a separate product, prompted mainly by antitrust procedures—for example, against International Business Machines (IBM), which was criticized for pushing competitors out of business with its combined offer of hardware and software (Burton 2002)—and the founding of the first specialized software companies (Fisher et al. 1983). ...



Examples of this is Microsoft got its big break of writing software for their hardware.
Microsoft - Wikipedia
After negotiations with Digital Research failed, IBM awarded a contract to Microsoft in November 1980 to provide a version of the CP/M OS, which was set to be used in the upcoming IBM Personal Computer (IBM PC).[27]
 

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This is what is ment by the breaking up of the ibm monopoly.
Breaking up IBM means different things to different people. People with business experience and knowledge of the IT market would automatically think in terms of AT&T and the breakup into various regional operators. ( United States v. AT&T - Wikipedia ). Microsoft came close to being broken up and Gates' testimony (I watched it at the time) was quite unusual. Google ran into a problem over drug dealing and promoting drugs via adverts but got out of that by paying about a $500 million fine. There was some discussion at the time about splitting Google Search and Google advertising.

When there's an antitrust investigation, it generally happens when a company has become large enough and powerful enough to be the significant player in a market. (Google in Search, Microsoft in Operating Systems/software etc). IBM had competition at the time in both software and hardware but the way that the investigation was shut down when Regan became president did leave a lot of people irritated.
 
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Breaking up IBM means different things to different people. People with business experience and knowledge of the IT market would automatically think in terms of AT&T and the breakup into various regional operators. ( United States v. AT&T - Wikipedia ). Microsoft came close to being broken up and Gates' testimony (I watched it at the time) was quite unusual. Google ran into a problem over drug dealing and promoting drugs via adverts but got out of that by paying about a $500 million fine. There was some discussion at the time about splitting Google Search and Google advertising.

When there's an antitrust investigation, it generally happens when a company has become large enough and powerful enough to be the significant player in a market. (Google in Search, Microsoft in Operating Systems/software etc). IBM had competition at the time in both software and hardware but the way that the investigation was shut down when Regan became president did leave a lot of people irritated.
You are correct, but I think a little bit pedantic, the breakdown of the software and hardware model that occurred under the pressures they were under, reasons can be argued, kickstarted the american software industry.
They dont need to break as long as they bend and adapt to pressures, which can allow for innovation in the markets.
 
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It's that time again.
Bend over, drop your trousers and lube up folks.
Because another US corporation has "plans" for us.

Whatever way you look at it, this is nothing but the externalising of corporate costs
onto the unsuspecting public in a small gullible country.

This centre and the one Apple proposed in Athenry would put a huge stress on our creaking electricity infrastructure which of course the government would have to invest greatly in to rectify in order to accommodate these parasites, at a cost to the public.

Add to this the fact that it would not employ very many people and that it would be used to launder more of the taxes of large US MNC through our GDP grossly inflating it even more, thus affecting our payments to the EU.

Then add to this the increased power usage and the knock on effect of our green electricity obligations and climate change obligations and the various increased fines for not meeting these obligations and it is clear that this kind of project is actually a liability on our balance sheet which is why they need to trick thick paddies into taking it. All the valuable well paid "knowledge economy" employment and IT research and development jobs are earmarked for elsewhere not here of course.

It should be called scAmazon!
 

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It's that time again.
Bend over, drop your trousers and lube up folks.
Because another US corporation has "plans" for us.

Whatever way you look at it, this is nothing but the externalising of corporate costs
onto the unsuspecting public in a small gullible country.

This centre and the one Apple proposed in Athenry would put a huge stress on our creaking electricity infrastructure which of course the government would have to invest greatly in to rectify in order to accommodate these parasites, at a cost to the public.

Add to this the fact that it would not employ very many people and that it would be used to launder more of the taxes of large US MNC through our GDP grossly inflating it even more, thus affecting our payments to the EU.

Then add to this the increased power usage and the knock on effect of our green electricity obligations and climate change obligations and the various increased fines for not meeting these obligations and it is clear that this kind of project is actually a liability on our balance sheet which is why they need to trick thick paddies into taking it. All the valuable well paid "knowledge economy" employment and IT research and development jobs are earmarked for elsewhere not here of course.

It should be called scAmazon!

Crypto currency mining is another one that needs cool climates and huge amounts of energy. Now that these miners are being kicked out of real countries like China, they are looking for rogue states like the 26 county free state to host them.
 

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Crypto currency mining is another one that needs cool climates and huge amounts of energy. Now that these miners are being kicked out of real countries like China, they are looking for rogue states like the 26 county free state to host them.
Iceland would seem like the perfect place for such things as data centres and crypto mining, given the relative abundance of free geothermal energy. But the people of Iceland are not fools like the Irish, and would demand a fair cut and fair taxes to be paid. So the predators are eyeing up Ireland, land of the green drunken fools who readily hand away their country to foreign crooks.

Thing is, crypto mining demands very cheap or even free electricity to make a decent profit. But have you looked at your bill lately? We have ridiculous electricity costs, probably the highest standing charges in europe and we even get charged extra for NOT using enough electricity. They do this while crowing about carbon footprints in the same bill!.
Do people not see the cynical irony here?

If any of those industries move here you just know that they got a sweet deal on electricity at the taxpayers expense.
 
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Amazon isn't SPYING on you. They're just improving your experience!
Amazon workers are listening to private and sometimes disturbing voice recordings to improve the voice-assistants' understanding of human speech. Amazon has admitted to its customers that thousands of recordings are being analysed by staff and transcribed before feeding them back into the software.

As many as 1,000 clips are reviewed by workers in buildings all over the world, many of which are not obviously run by the online giant. Staff members have said that the work is mostly mundane, however they do come across embarrassing clips, like a woman singing off-key in the shower. The teams use internal chat rooms to share files when they need help deciphering a muddled word - or come when they come across an amusing recording. Among more sinister content the workers have heard, have been a child screaming for help and two instances were they believed they heard a sexual assault taking place.

Amazon last night confirmed the revelations when approached by Bloomberg saying that 'an extremely small sample of Alexa voice recordings' are analysed by staff. In an emailed statement to MailOnline, an Amazon spokesperson said: 'We only annotate an extremely small sample of Alexa voice recordings in order to improve the customer experience.
I find this particularly amusing because he term "enhancing your user experience" as a synonym for "made it stop working". Which is usually expressed in some sort of context like this:

"Did you take out the trash?"

"No, I'm enhancing your user experience!"
 
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