Self Moderated Abandoned rural Irish towns under investigation

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A government funded survey to try and seek answers as to why rural Irish villages and towns are deserted and so devoid of life. One would think that the answer lies at their own front door, aka. their decades long support for one off housing and ribbon development along rural roads, commonly referred to as bungalow blitz. Unlike say in France or the Netherlands, as opposed to building up and maintaining local rural towns which can be supported with adequate public transport and whatnot, the Irish government approach over the past century has been to approve of bungalows on every field across the island.

More often than not for local farmers selling off roadsite patches of land to be rezoned as residential would yield a cash bonanza for themselves. Add corrupt local gombeen politicians into the mix and you are left with situations such as Donegal where literally every rural route has one house after another plonked on every boreen in sight, even in the most naturally scenic of areas. Rural villages and towns as a result have been depopulated and few can afford to have even the most basic of services.

Farmer Joe and his ten sons in their McMansions see the local village as the place to visit the local supermarket and nothing more, unlike in continental Europe where towns are properly nucleated and rural routes spared of ugly ribbon development. Hence, you have both unspoiled countryside and thriving rural towns and villages.

A tale of groundwater pollution, corrupt politicians and greedy farmers.


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100% correct.
 

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// if farmer Pat wanted his kids to go to univ, buy a house , buy a car, go on a long holiday all he did was "sell a site".It has always been so and always will.The planning authorities confined development within the boundaries of the town and village(road speed sign) was the boundary.No one could build anything so far outside the boundary so the village or town was doomed to die/stagnate with no young people raising families in the town.But if one lived more than 5km outside the village /town one could build an Eiffel tower, Taj Mahal , a cluster of houses on top of each other and that's exactly what has been going on for generations now.A joke ,no planning, sparse population , so sparse that telecom didn't bother offering people fast broadband cable underground.Same reason we have dirty polluted water and antiquated group water schemes.Scamster refugees will take whatever they are given but when established in the country they will leave the area ASAP.They will go to areas with "their own kind" as sure as night follows day.They are only here to get what they can and get residency permits and EU Passport.
 
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DS I was talking to a bogger lad recently and he said the opposite, that the Government are trying to force country folk off the land and into towns so they can set up big ranches.

He likened it to the Highland clearances!
 

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So long as the results don't desecrate the landscape I'm indifferent. If everybody's house looked like Pearse's cottage in Ros Muc I wouldn't mind the proliferation of isolated dwellings. Do we really need the central heating and running water our royal ancestors did without?

The paradox of being a spiritually and aesthetically sensitive person is that while you feel pain, discomfort and inconvenience more than others, you gain a greater ability to endure them from the solace derived from beauty. Accordingly you suffer terribly from the deprivation of beauty even in ease, comfort and convenience. I would accept greater burdens for the sake of greater access to that which makes burdens endurable. The modern world is so lacking in truth and beauty that its pains are scarcely endurable, even though our lives are paradaisically easy compared to those of our ancestors in material terms. Gold is lead and a thorn a dagger without the milk of human kindness and the bread of life.
 
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DS I was talking to a bogger lad recently and he said the opposite, that the Government are trying to force country folk off the land and into towns so they can set up big ranches.

He likened it to the Highland clearances!
Yep, and although this type of one off development is not ideal in terms of the distribution of modern services it is absolutely within the traditional Irish mode of dispersed settlement.
We are going to see a huge push to remove people from rural areas, it needs to be resisted at all costs. They want to sell the land off to conglomerates and corporate interests. For enormous ranches, factory farms, wind farms and forestry plantations (Sitka Spruce which is disastrous for native soil and wildlife)
Remember when the English cut down our forests in order to remove the Kern? Something similar is going on now.

People look at the rural towns and villages and despair at how they've declined, but to blame one off housing is a huge mistake. Much of the populations of rural parishes were always dispersed throughout the rural hinterland. Its simply inaccurate to attribute the decline of towns to to one off housing, both town and country have experienced a decline.
 

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Yep, and although this type of one off development is not ideal in terms of the distribution of modern services it is absolutely within the traditional Irish mode of dispersed settlement.
We are going to see a huge push to remove people from rural areas, it needs to be resisted at all costs. They want to sell the land off to conglomerates and corporate interests. For enormous ranches, factory farms, wind farms and forestry plantations (Sitka Spruce which is disastrous for native soil and wildlife)
Remember when the English cut down our forests in order to remove the Kern? Something similar is going on now.

People look at the rural towns and villages and despair at how they've declined, but to blame one off housing is a huge mistake. Much of the populations of rural parishes were always dispersed throughout the rural hinterland. Its simply inaccurate to attribute the decline of towns to to one off housing, both town and country have experienced a decline.
I often spitefully dream that the people who have shrouded Ireland under foreign conifers will wake up after death in an endless shady maze of Sitka spruce. To remind them of their sins, nothing but bony conifers and a charnel blanket of rotten brown spruce needles for endless miles around.
 

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Many of our villages have tiny houses unsuitable for raising a medium family which is why these larger one off housing developments spring up.

Continental Europe has larger houses and cheaper too. That's why they thrive and we stagnate.

Of course the days of stagnation will feel like heaven in comparison to what's coming. Not only will non-Europeans be coming here but a wave of English will make their way too in order to escape the current decline (terrorism/rape) and inevitable future collapse.

We've proven we can sustain 8+ million without industrialisation. No chance England will sustain 50+ million without industrialisation and they know it.

How long before Buckingham Palace is abandoned?
 

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They should never have had Dublin as the capitol of everything. Any new Civil service dept should be in a rural location and business should be incentivised towards rural areas.. Broadband is a big issue .

I do also fear that this report will see suggestions of re-populating the area with Africans and when people object , they will be shown the report and then told they are being racist.
 

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Yep, and although this type of one off development is not ideal in terms of the distribution of modern services it is absolutely within the traditional Irish mode of dispersed settlement.
We are going to see a huge push to remove people from rural areas, it needs to be resisted at all costs. They want to sell the land off to conglomerates and corporate interests. For enormous ranches, factory farms, wind farms and forestry plantations (Sitka Spruce which is disastrous for native soil and wildlife)
Remember when the English cut down our forests in order to remove the Kern? Something similar is going on now.

People look at the rural towns and villages and despair at how they've declined, but to blame one off housing is a huge mistake. Much of the populations of rural parishes were always dispersed throughout the rural hinterland. Its simply inaccurate to attribute the decline of towns to to one off housing, both town and country have experienced a decline.
yes,
but then 9 lived in 2 rooms
now 2 live in 9 rooms
 

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Ni acted to kerb it's bungalow blight in 2005, prior to that planning was given if it integrated into the countryside (basically a site had to have two existing hedges) planning restrictions reduced one off rural dwellings from 8-10k a year to 800, although it has sneaked up a bit since the councils got final say on planning in 2016... Currently the major problem is sewerage treatment capacity for small villages...
 
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