“Cardinal” stooge of antipope Francis climbs down manhole to help steal electricity.

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The state is under no obligation except to those who pay to finance it.

No such thing as a free lunch in this life, or in the next life either

Not at all. The state is serving the same function as our tribal elders did in the past. The bourgeois state tries to escape this function, but any such escape renders the state invalid and illegitimate. They say diversification really is a free lunch, but besides that, you are right. All members of the tribe who can work must work, and all must share in the social product.
 

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No jobs are endangered at all by this. And presumably its the state electricity company. The state is under obligation to supply the basic necessities of life to its citizens.
Jobs are endangered when massive unpaid debts are imposed on any company public or private.
Citizens have an obligation to pay their way when possible or at last contribute in some measure.

These arguments you present are entirely academic and ignore the basic moral issue that a so called "cardinal" is assisting people to rob electricity.
Indeed you go further and approve of this theft.

I expect you also approve of irish itinerants hooking up to poles and stealing electricity as well.

You inhabit a moral universe that seeks to justify theft and excuse certain classes from any obligation whatsoever to contribute to the common good.
 

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The state is under no obligation except to those who pay to finance it.

No such thing as a free lunch in this life, or in the next life either
Well, that isn't true. There are lots of free lunches.

States are party to all sorts of human rights treaties and conventions that are designed to protect the poor, the weak and the defenceless.

Who foots the sw bill?
 

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Not at all. The state is serving the same function as our tribal elders did in the past. The bourgeois state tries to escape this function, but any such escape renders the state invalid and illegitimate. They say diversification really is a free lunch, but besides that, you are right. All members of the tribe who can work must work, and all must share in the social product.
Hollow words.
300,000 euro is owed by these people to an electricity company and you support robber actions by a "priest" to magnify that debt endlessly and nobody is ever expected to pay it back.
Disgraceful.
 

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Hollow words.
300,000 euro is owed by these people to an electricity company and you support robber actions by a "priest" to magnify that debt endlessly and nobody is ever expected to pay it back.
Disgraceful.
"Priest"?
You now deny the validity of ordination.

The list is growing.

You'd better slow down or there won't be anything Catholic left in you.
 

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Well, that isn't true. There are lots of free lunches.

States are party to all sorts of human rights treaties and conventions that are designed to protect the poor, the weak and the defenceless.

Who foots the sw bill?
SW should only be paid to those who contribute to that fund, with the exception of people who are physically or mentally disabled.

Everyone else, if you haven't paid, you don't get paid (sw)
 

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"Priest"?
You now deny the validity of ordination.

The list is growing.

You'd better slow down or there won't be anything Catholic left in you.
Well if you want to call somebody who follows a demonic antipope and helps in the massive theft of electricity a priest by all means do so.
[Describing such a low life as a "priest" does not deny its ordination merely illustrates how it has violated and denied its sacramental priesthood.]

But you have already fully approved this theft so dont be lecturing people about their catholicity or lack of it.
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SW should only be paid to those who contribute to that fund, with the exception of people who are physically or mentally disabled.

Everyone else, if you haven't paid, you don't get paid (sw)
That's your "should" (and sleight of hand). It clashes with reality.
 

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SW should only be paid to those who contribute to that fund, with the exception of people who are physically or mentally disabled.

Everyone else, if you haven't paid, you don't get paid (sw)

That would be all well and good if the state was providing gainful employment to everyone.
 

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Well if you want to call somebody who follows a demonic antipope and helps in the massive theft of electricity a priest by all means do so.
[Describing such a low life as a "priest" does not deny its ordination merely illustrates how it has violated and denied its sacramental priesthood.]

But you have already fully approved this theft so dont be lecturing people about their catholicity or lack of it.
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Your view of "theft" is an erroneous one, promoted by the Jewish ruling class in the Torah. They wanted to stop the Jewish proletarians from rising up and recovering the stolen lands which the ruling class had decided to call its "private property."
 
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